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Underwater Harbors in America...7000 years old, history rewritten, atlantis everywhere?

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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 10:57 PM
reply to post by Bellor

Orkney is a paradise of the past. There are probably more ancient sites in Orkney than anywhere else in the UK, many are free entry, and most are uncrowded. Several of the most famous sites are clustered together near Loch Harray and form the Heart of Orkney World Heritage Site.

Neolithic discovery: why Orkney is the centre of ancient Britain
Long before the Egyptians began the pyramids, Neolithic man built a vast temple complex at the top of what is now Scotland. Robin McKie visits the astonishing Ness of Brodgar
The celtic cross goes hand in hand with the henges

id bet it was tsunami or invaders that caused those people to vacate

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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 06:35 AM
i have to finish up here on the grail, it is on topic for this thread as we shall see

It is at the heart of the atlantis myth, which is about come full cycle and begin its repeat.

originally what started Velicovski to write Worlds in Collision, his book about the original flood, was his observation that in the creation myths of all these different peoples around the world was that on one side of the planet the sun stood still for three days, and on the other side of the planet the disappeared for three days.

it broke down geographically to half the planet and the other half
Many cultures describe the sun as going into a cave.

so The SUN went into a cave and three days later rose resurrected anew.
that is the beginning of the atlantis myth on this side of the glaciation at 12,000 years YBN

so to the grail
When one breaks down the word grail it is made up of RA as in amen ra, and mith ra, and as we saw in the photo of the statue of mithra earlier, he had the cross and has the rays for a halo. Christ has the celtic cross wheel as a halo in most art depicting him. The root of the word rail.

Of course Mithra is Sol Invicti...sol the sun, mithra also having become the root for Miter, and mittens..which are bound together with a string (it travels up the arms and goes across the neck so the mittens don't get lost, they are bound together, as defined in the link below ). Bound so the mittens don't get lost. You navigate with the Cross of mithra so you don't get lost.

here someone appears to have done a good job of detailing the historical record of mythra and the comparisons between christ annd mythra:
Mithras Sol Invictvs - An initiate's Guide
Mithras versus Christ: a Centuries Old Dispute?

the point is the miths (sic) Myths,then were basically used as christianity is today; at one level for the flocks, and at one level for the initiates into the illuminated societies.
visible things had to be explained with out sharing secrets because knowledge is power

The knights templar were alleged to be the keepers of the grail, which as in the definition exposed in my previous post they were.
The trinity comes from the fact that you meed Pythagorean therum the 3-4-5 or 6-8-10 RULE to do the tri-angulations necessary to use the cross to find unknowns = X marks the spot

The Cross of Tau, named after the Greek letter it resembles, is a form of the Christian cross symbol.[1] It is also variously St. Anthony's Cross, Old Testament Cross, Anticipatory Cross, Cross Commissee, Egyptian Cross, Advent Cross, Croce taumata, Saint Francis's Cross, Crux Commissa.[citation needed]

The shape of the letter tau or T was interpreted as representing a crucifix from antiquity. The staurogram, from Greek ΣTAΥPOΣ "cross", was a tau-rho ligature used to abbreviate the Greek word for cross in very early New Testament manuscripts such as P66, P45 and P75.[2] The tau was also considered a symbol of salvation due to the identification of the tau with the sign which in Ezechiel 9:4 was marked on the forehead of the saved ones (וְהִתְוִיתָ תָּו עַל־מִצְחֹות הָאֲנָשִׁים "set a mark (tav; after the Phoenician cross-shape ) on the forehead of the men"), or due to the tau-shaped outstretched hands of Moses in Exodus 17:11.[2]

St. Anthony of Egypt bore a cross in the form of a tau on his cloak.[1] The Tau Cross is most commonly used in reference to the Franciscan Order and Saint Francis of Assisi, who adopted it as his personal coat of arms after hearing Pope Innocent III talk about the Tau symbol.[3] It is now used as a symbol of the Franciscan Order.

as you can see the tau cross is the phonecian cross
best part is i figured that out as i said earlier in the prior grail post, and then went and looked and there it is
The phonecian, or old testament cross.

King Arthur in Legend: The Holy Grail

there: Ar thor- (odin) we are now back to the sumerian aryan goth BLUE BLOODLINE line that spawned SARGON (moses), AMEN, (take your pick) and which is the prototype for some many BLUE or BLUE EYED religious Dye-ities
as is shown by the translations of the glyphs of the day by WA Waddel, who knew nothing of the rest of this stuff that you all now know

Pre-Adamite Matriarch of Eden, the Serpent-Priestess and her Weirds and People.
The Three Fate Weirds in Eden and their Sacred Tree.
The Eden Triad, El or Heide, her consort Wodan and their son Loki (Lucifer or Baldr).
Baldr, Abel or Loki and his Harem.
Atrocities of the Serpent-Priestess.

Disclosing his identity with Adam "of Eden" and as Thor-Dan with Dar-Danos, first king of Troy.
Founding of Troy by Ad(-am) Thor or Dar-Dan and Colonization of the Troad - the Holy Land of Thrud Hame.
Institution of Agriculture.
Institution of Laws and Industries.

Admission of Regenerate Dwarf Chiefs to Gothic Parliament.

Thor and the All-Wise Dwarf.

Hoar-Beard's Tale - Altercation in Troad between Thor and the Edenite Wolf-Chief Wodan or Hoar-Beard.
The Weaver of Troy's Tale - Thor, as the Weaver of Troy, is visited by Wodan as a spy in disguise.

well, "get that into yah!" as we say about a good beer

they say that only the pure of heart can see the grail so if you don't get this you are an evil heathen and don't deserve it
either that or there is no such thing as a poor student only poor teachers, I'm not sure which it is.

to all who read this you are now keepers of the grail
we are about to come full circle and this time civilization is about to be run into the ground by a bunch inbred retarded freaks as we enter a climactic disaster...i guess they figure thier nifty seed vaults will save then after the ice melts...
maybe this time its the good guys turn

you can criticize my interpretation all you want. I will do my best to accomodate
like i did with siltration rates, and map captions...
but see if you can fit your version together at least as well as i have mine
betcha you can't

after all I have the working grail now, and so Im not too worried about what you think
have a good one
as to the grail being the horn of plenty of legend...and prophesy:
there will be a time again when the world is again free for the taking
for those that know where to find it
and how to get there

posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 07:53 PM
Dude this is sweet. Sorry to be off topic, but can someone tell me how to start a thread on the cell phone? I didn't know how else to ask

posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 10:43 PM
reply to post by LucidWarrior

thanks for reading
cell phone are not my field of expertise

posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:32 PM
i was guessing about the narco/tobacco mummies earlier in the thread so i thought i would add this in to flesh that out

The Mystery of the Cocaine Mummies

In the 21st dynasty of the Pharaos, 3,000 years ago, there took place one night at a temple, the funeral of Henut Taui - the Lady of the Two lands.Then four years ago a German scientist, Dr Svetla Balabanova, made a discovery which was to baffle Egyptologists, and call into question whole areas of science and archeology to chemistry and botany.

She discovered that the body of Henut Taui contained large quantities of coc aine and nicotine. The surprise was not just that the ancient Egyptians had taken drugs, but that these drugs come from tobacco and coca, plants completly unknown outside the Americas, unheard of until Sir Walter Raleigh introduced smoking from the New World, or until coc aine was imported in the Victorian era.

It was seemingly impossible for the ancient Egyptians to get hold of these substances. And so began the mystery -

escept now we know it was possible
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:36 PM
somewhere around here it says these were red haired...

The Windover Archeological Site is an Early Archaic (6000 to 5000 BC) archaeological site found in Brevard County near Titusville, Florida, USA, on the central east coast of the state. Windover is a muck pond where skeletal remains of 168 individuals were found buried in the peat at the bottom of the pond. The skeletons were well preserved because of the characteristics of peat. In addition, remarkably well-preserved brain tissue has been recovered from many skulls from the site. DNA from the brain tissue has been sequenced. The collection of human skeletal remains and artifacts recovered from Windover Pond represent among the largest finds of each type from the Archaic Period.

Windover is a small pond, about .25 acres (1,000 m2) in area, that has held water continuously since sometime between 9000 and 8000 BC. It is next to the Atlantic coastal ridge about 5 miles (8 km) from Cape Canaveral. As the sea level was considerably lower 7,000 to 8,000 years ago than it is today, the pond originally sat above the water table, and was filled only by rainfall and runoff from the surrounding land. At that time the pond had a relatively thin layer of peat under a thin layer of water. The subsequent rise in sea level raised the local water table, and in more recent times the pond has been fed by groundwater as well as rainfall. In 1984 the pond had a thick layer of peat, with five strata described by the archaeologists who excavated the pond. The peat in the center of the pond was covered by 6 feet (2 m) of water.[3]

maybe florida always was a party state...
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:40 PM
contemperary with Menes the admiral of the seven seas (la waddel) manitou manistusu minos

being metis - part injun
guichi maintou being menes as WA WADDEL has linked together is a big BIG deal

now we know where the later fragments of sciences and maths end up

it was always said the later civilizations must have gotten their maths and sciences from an earlier common civilization because they didn't each have enough of everything to indicate they had figured it out themselves

Archaic stage (8000 BCE — 1000 BCE)[edit]
See also: Pre-Columbian era and History of Mesoamerica (Paleo-Indian)
Several thousand years after the first migrations, the first complex civilizations arose as hunter-gatherers settled into semi-agricultural communities. Identifiable sedentary settlements began to emerge in the so-called Middle Archaic period around 6000 BCE. Particular archaeological cultures can be identified and easily classified throughout the Archaic period.

In the late Archaic, on the north-central coastal region of Peru, a complex civilization arose which has been termed the Norte Chico civilization, also known as Caral-Supe. It is the oldest known civilization in the Americas and one of the six sites where civilization originated independently and indigenously in the ancient world, flourishing between the 30th and 18th centuries BC. It pre-dated the Mesoamerican Olmec civilization by nearly two millennia. It was contemporaneous with the Egypt following the unification of its kingdom under Menes and the emergence of the first Egyptian hieroglyphics.

Monumental architecture, including earthwork platform mounds and sunken plazas have been identified as part of the civilization. Archaeological evidence points to the use of textile technology and the worship of common god symbols. Government, possibly in the form of theocracy, is assumed to have been required to manage the region. However, numerous questions remain about its organization. In archaeological nomenclature, the culture was pre-ceramic culture of the pre-Columbian Late Archaic period. It appears to have lacked ceramics and art.

sunken plazas
they lacked ceramics like the florida mummies
i doubt these folks did the big stuff i bet that was earlier or even pre flood or even pre glaciation but who knows...
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 08:02 PM

Sacred City of Caral-Supe

The 5000-year-old 626-hectare archaeological site of The Sacred City of Caral-Supe is situated on a dry desert terrace overlooking the green valley of the Supe river. It dates back to the Late Archaic Period of the Central Andes and is the oldest centre of civilization in the Americas. Exceptionally well-preserved, the site is impressive in terms of its design and the complexity of its architectural, especially its monumental stone and earthen platform mounts and sunken circular courts. One of 18 urban settlements situated in the same area, Caral features complex and monumental architecture, including six large pyramidal structures. A quipu (the knot system used in Andean civilizations to record information) found on the site testifies to the development and complexity of Caral society. The city’s plan and some of its components, including pyramidal structures and residence of the elite, show clear evidence of ceremonial functions, signifying a powerful religious ideology.

Historical Description
During its period of occupancy, approximately 1,000 years, Caral was remodelled several times. In fact, almost all of the buildings show successive periods of occupation.
Research carried out by a cross-disciplinary team has demonstrated that although the Supe Valley settlements were occupied in 3000 B.C., it was not until 2600 B.C. that their occupants became part of an organised social system with a "capital zone" in the lower middle valley. And it was this zone that was the centre of the most outstanding social and cultural tradition of the time.
Based on socio-cultural information and dating data, the theory has been posited that the influence of the social system of Supe first affected the populations of the nearest valleys. It then extended further and, by 2200 B.C., its influence had spread as far south as the archaeological site of El Paraiso in the Chillón Valley, and to all the valleys northward as far as the Santa River Valley.
The chronological sequence is summarised as follows:
- Remote Period (before 3000 B.C.): Land possession by groups of families/lineages.
- Ancient Period (3000-2600 B.C.): "Capital zone" growth; plazas and impressive buildings constructed.
- Final Middle Period (2300-2200 B.C.): Buildings enlarged in area and volume; large platforms and plazas constructed.
- Initial Late Period (2200-2100 B.C.): Public buildings remodelled; plazas constructed with quadrangular platform framework.
- Final Late Period (2100-1800 B.C.): Public buildings remodelled (using smaller stones); occupation of site reduced.
Throughout the occupancy of the site, there have been periods of great change, and it is possible to see clear distinctions in the design and architecture of the city, and the burial and renewal of buildings. There have also been minor changes or phases within each of the periods.
Each period is distinguishable from the one preceding it in several ways: elements of architectural style; building techniques; materials; and the colour of paint used on walls. However, the overall design is maintained as well as the associated cultural traditions and building functions. In reply to the letter sent to the State Party by ICOMOS on 13 January 2009 asking for further information regarding the sacred nature of the site, the State Party on 27 February 2009 explained to the satisfaction of ICOMOS the reason for this descriptor. The archaeological work to date has enabled researchers to establish the sacred nature of Caral through both architectural and contextual analyses. Both the city (in its urban plan) and its component parts (including, for example, the pyramidal structures and residences of the elite) show clear evidence of ceremonial functions, thereby signifying what can be called a powerful religious ideology.

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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 08:16 PM

Who Were The Si-Te-Cah

This 1995 article by Steve McNallen was written months before the discovery of the Kennewick Man or the current controversy over ancient Caucasians in North America. In retrospect, it seems hauntingly prophetic

Lovelock, Nevada, is about eighty miles northeast of Reno. It was in a cave near here, in 1911, that guano miners found mummies, bones, and artifacts buried under four feet of bat excrement. The desiccated bodies belonged to a very tall people - with red hair.

This is not the physical profile of your typical American Indian, to put it mildly. And in fact, the local Paiutes had legends about these towering troublemakers, whom they called the "Si-Te-Cah." According to them the redheads were a warlike people, and a number of the Indian tribes joined together in a long war against them. Eventually, the Paiutes and their allies forced the Si-Te-Cah back to their home acres, near Mount Shasta in our own California.

Mining engineer and amateur archeologist John T. Reid took an interest in the remains of the Si-Te-Cah and did his best to document the finds as they were unearthed. He also interviewed many locals who had knowledge of the affair. His memoirs can be found in the Nevada Historical Society Archives, located in Reno.

Official archeology refused to take an interest. According to reports, two investigators were sent to the scene. One was from the University of California, and the other from New York. Rather than unearthing facts, they seemed more interested in burying them - literally; we are told the New Yorker ordered a mummy reburied on at least once occasion. Nor was anything published about the anomalies until 1929, seventeen years after their visit.

so now these folks don't seem so far fetched
tall red haired mummies just before kennewick man

posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 08:27 PM
if you recall earlier we discussed the blue people
minos the phonecian

Hopi believe star people and star knowledge will return at the end of the current cycle of time, as they have in past cycles. At the time of the Blue Kachina, star people visit the heart of the Earth to be protected during the world's destruction. When the first world was destroyed, people returned to the surface to live as ants for the duration of the second world. The third world describes an advanced civilization with flying shields and wars between distant cities eventually destroyed by great floods - Very similar to Babylonian mythology. Hopi are now caretakers of the fourth world in exchange for the privilege of living on Earth. They believe the coming of the fifth world is near and will commence when members of the Fire Clan return.

The Peaceful People, Hopi, live in northeast Arizona to this present day and are believed to be descendants from cultures to the north, east and south. Anasazi are ancestors is the Hopi, which creates a direct relation to the ancient Aztec culture. Though many civilizations around the world maintain religious beliefs of gods descending from the sky, the Hopi believe they came up from the ground. One of the many Hopi legends specifically references Ant People who inhabit the heart of the Earth. Artwork displaying the Ant People strongly resembles depictions found in modern gray alien encounter reports.

under ground? like the hypogeum...or
here is your ant people

Inside the Intriguing Ancient Underground City of Derinkuyu

Derinkuyu Complex

The underground city at Derinkuyu has 18 stories that descend far into the Earth. Sophisticated shafts, some as long as 180 feet, provide ventilation to the complex’s multitude of residences, communal rooms, tunnels, wine cellars, oil presses, stables and chapels.

The city also has numerous wells to provide fresh water. So many, that most scholars agree that Derinkuyu could have easily supported as many as 20,000 people.

It is widely presumed that the city was part of a larger complex; in support of this, many point to a commonly-believed rumor that a tunnel extends from Derinkuyu to its sister underground city, Kaymakli, some three miles away. Conventional wisdom holds that these cities were built for the same reasons other people built citadels and castles – to protect the populace during invasion. Some of the strongest evidence to support this theory includes the self-contained fresh water supply, as well as the enormous stone, circular doors, weighing up to 1,000 pounds, that could seal off passageways from invaders.

Derinkuyu had been lost to time until, during renovations on a modern home, an opening to a cave passage was revealed. Although visitors have been allowed in the underground city since 1965, many passages and rooms still remain inaccessible.
remember earlier in the thread the signs that locals were brought by people from turkey?

Who Brought The Mayans To Mexico?
Were the ancient Turks, Akkads (Sumerians) and Dravidians (Tamils) the parents of Mexico and Meso-America?

blue star people aren't from the stars they were the shooters and users of the stars like we have been discussing
the PHONECIANS...pyramids stars crosses and the colors red white and blue


now lets say i was right about the blue bloods phonicians...
there you have every president but one related to the blue blood royalty
see the british flag as posted earlier and the old glory...

so now the katchinas are peoples not aliens
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 09:14 PM
reply to post by Danbones

Holy crap Dan you've lost it! I mean that in a positive way
I think.
I'm going to have to catch up here Dan.

posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 09:35 PM
reply to post by randyvs

thanks Randy
its roughly written because i have been researching on the fly
back in the thread is a piece about summerian hopi language correlations
now the hopi ant people it looks like are from turkey... underground city there is a mystery
anatolia where the civilization seems to have resprung from as it moved into mesopotamia...
the blue star people they weren't from the stars everything was lined up to the stars
and they were bbrought to hopi land by the ant people..who lived underground like ants in anatolia

the red haired mummies are all over the americas now at the time the harbors were in use on the edge of the continental shelf
and i think back there in the thread somewhere is a dna map of our blue painted celts types...
from turkey and russia and the uk area etc
so we have the blue star katchina... the other katchinas must be around here somewhere too

posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 06:27 PM

i got constantine the great and pope constantine the 1st mixed up back there on a couple of posts
as was pointed out by constantine
thank you

It doesn't really change the whole story, it's just a different connection to the church taking the Phoenician rulership blue bloodline in and merging, and absorbing the cross into its iconology...hence the Phoenician popes link.

posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 11:52 PM
here we have yet another blue DYE ity, apparently following the trend:
Kali the destroyer Shar Kali Sharri
the empire appears to have been destroyed under his reign
The four arms of Kali form a cross

According to the Sumerian king list, Sargon reigned for fifty-six years and was considered a popular and successful king. After his death, the empire passed to his son Rimush, who was forced to endure what his father had and put down the rebellions which contested his legitimacy. Rimush reigned for nine years and, when he died, the kingship passed to Sargon’s other son, Manishtusu. Though both sons ruled well, the height of the Akkadian Empire was realized under Sargon's grandson, Naram-Sin. During his reign, the empire grew and flourished beyond the boundaries even Sargon had envisioned. After his death, his son Shar-Kali-Sharri became ruler and, at this time, the empire began to unravel as city-states broke away to form their own independent kingdoms. Further, it has been suggested that climate change weakened the empire, already reeling from rebellions within and attacks by the Elamites and Ammorites from without, to the point of collapse. Soon after, the Gutians, an invading tribe from the Zagros Mountains, destroyed Akkad and toppled the teetering Akkadian Empire, ushering in a dark age for Mesopotamia.

interesting name note re the blue star people
sargon the great was also known as Sharru kan...The true king...Aren't ninja stars called Shuriken (sher-ree-kins)
and argon is a "noble gas" doesn't readily combine with the inbred royal lines..of the nobles
just a thought

the you have Naram sin
aour lord amen was helocentric Naram sin tried to initiate a lunarcentric religion opposed to the religion of the sun or son

While Sargon called himself "King of Kish," military leader Naram-Sin was "King of the four corners" (of the universe) and a "living god." This status was an innovation that is recorded in an inscription that says the deification was at the request of the citizens

oh look: hor(ous)ns

there: dye-ification

as to the king of kish: his son: manistusu; the algonquin amerindian dye-ity: kishi manitou

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posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 12:21 AM

Aryans had strict rules of endogamy and exogamy. Marriage outside the racial group or within near degrees of kinship was forbidden. Outnumbered by a subject people whom they considered inferior to themselves, the Aryans foresaw that without restrictions on intermarriage they would lose their racial identity in just a few generations.

ummm, sound familiar?
inbred blue blood royals but they came by it honestly...

Puranic sources mention[13] Krishna's disappearance marks the end of Dvapara Yuga and the start of Kali Yuga (present age), which is dated to February 17/18, 3102 BCE.[14] Worship of the deity Krishna, either in the form of Vasudeva, Bala Krishna or Gopala can be traced to as early as 4th century BC.[15][16] Worship of Krishna as svayam bhagavan, or the supreme being, known as Krishnaism, arose in the Middle Ages in the context of the bhakti movement. From the 10th century AD, Krishna became a favorite subject in performing arts and regional traditions of devotion developed for forms of Krishna

just thought id throw in another random drive by blue diety from aryan land posting

posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 05:54 AM

I just wanted to say thanks for such a great thread. A keen history buff myself I have always kept an open mind as to what's actually still buried in the past. It seems as we get further away from the past we either destroy or turn over new evidence of old ways that many 'experts' have either explained away or refused to recognise in case it overrides their ideas on what occurred.

Waddell was a fascinating read! It really made a lot of sense what he was saying. I am inspired to pull out a lot of my old readings now in the light of the context he has provided on the Phoenicians and other races he has talked about and see if it all links up like he says it should.

I was particularly interested in his references to St Blaise 'Blaze' being a figure pagans could follow in Christianity as being essentially a the light bringer, or bearer of flame etc as a representation of the former sun god Bel, and St Patrick and his cross of Christianity modelled very closely on the pagan cross that figures so much in early Phoenician/Aryan motifs. One can easily see why, in the push to eradicate paganism, these 'Saints' used these forms in the way they did.

Thought provoking and great stuff!

posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 03:29 PM
reply to post by Danbones

While the article is 'unrelated', I thought you might be interested in the photo. Let me know if you can't view it from where you are and I will attempt to rectify it.

Interesting photo

posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 07:17 AM
Okey dokey, a new find here that is not 7000 years old nor a harbour............but it is ancient and it is North America......

Canal, pit houses from upto 4000 years ago found under planned Marana outlet mall site

This is clearly quite a significant archeological find and highly interesting. Unfortunately, it appears that the mall is being built anyway (jobs needed, etc). However, you would hope they would be able to planned mall site to allow preservation. I love America but i don't understand how preservation orders get slapped on 100 year old buildings and yet ancient sites like this are often just built over. Unlike over here, you don't share our problems with space! (our lack of it).

Anyhow, have a read and enjoy.

posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 06:20 PM
reply to post by Flavian

excellent read
i had come across something about canals in the south west somewhere in the past, but so far lately, I hadn't found much.
so thanks

posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 06:26 PM
reply to post by aorAki

Certainly shows what can be done in a row boat.
Many cultures have a history of expertise with such small craft and had navigation skills, and could have done amazing things

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