Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

sheepslayer247
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Could be, but if you do some searching, many news outlets are reporting the same thing. Two separate people, two separate family members and two different sexes.

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i didnt find much, but i didnt really search thoroughly.. but from the ones i did find, most were referring back to the police chief and his niece on the plane..

the ones related to lokman are basically linking back to the malaysian insider

So pirates kidnapping pirates.


As good a theory as any other. Money is a powerful motivator.

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They are ships unfortunately, I located the same area on the map.

MRuss
Just heard THE BEST analysis I've heard from a talking head all week. Great logic here and it's helped me to frame this issue differently:

Hands down the best analysis I've seen all week.

Huh? Let me pick this apart piece by piece.

"No way was this an accident."

No one knows if this was an accident or not. We still don't have any evidence to prove it either way.

"Even more troubling than the direction of the plane, someone turned off the transponder on the aircraft."

I guess this guy is psychic, because we don't know how the transponder stopped. If the plane suffered an immediate breakup, the transponder might have shut off just as quickly and abruptly as manually switching it off.

"He not only turns off the transponder, he also turns off another system on the plane called the ACAR system."

See my comments above. BONUS COMMENT: How does this guy know it wasn't a woman who shut if off?

"If you turn off both of those things, you've got somebody whose got some bad intentions."

If power was somehow interrupted and they both shut off at the same time, "intention" has nothing to do with it. Machinery doesn't have feelings.

"They had all these folks out there spending huge amounts of money looking in an area where they well know there was no aircraft to be found."

Conspiratorial conjecture.

Maybe there's a reason why this guy is a a former FAA accident investigator...

Think about it.

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Thanks so much for posting about this interview! I read about it, as well. I also posted a similar sentiment when I asked why they are searching everywhere but where the plane might actually be? I am glad that others with some authority to ask that question are coming forward and doing so.

Many, many of the things in the media right now are being designed, or have been designed, to lead us away from particular lines of speculation and thought, even possible consideration.

We are now being gently funnelled down a particular pathway, that if people are paying attention, they can actually see it taking shape, forming, and the fact we are being funnelled in that direction.

There was no real "fog of war" urgency here. Many MSM outlets actually took their time to retreat from the Russia/Ukraine headlines and actually put any focus on this story. Only once it actually failed to reach resolution in a reasonable time, (24-48 hrs?) did they start to pay *genuine* attention to the story.

Since this has happened, the optics have taken a difinitive turn. The media is definitely the one leading this show, now, but at whos direction? There is always someone at the top, in these cases. For the most part, the stories the first 12, 24, 48 bours, were all by Malaysian media Corps, Interpol, and Chinese media, amd Malaysian Police.

Now, we have the AP, CBS, CNN, etc., taking part. Even then, if you verify the links carefully, many of the stories are still regurgitated AP, Malaysian, China news, but some are now speculative and investigative pieces by the outlets, themselves.

This is where the optic-changing is taking place. This is one of the things I have been trying to point out.

Pay closer attention not just to the story, but the source, and then ask, what is the importance of this? Is this speculative? What are they trying to make me think? And better yet, what is it they want me to NOT think?

The major changes are happening in the last 8-10 hours. What significance does this hold?

I already posted what I think the eventual outcome will be, but I am curious what others predict the O.S. is going to be? Where do you see the final story culminating? Why? I think asking and answering those questions will go a long way in understanding what the media is trying to do, though we may never know why.

Instead of waiting on tidbits, it is easy, really, to predict, based on the last 10 hours or so, what tomorrow is going to bring.

As for the 20 on board, that part may never be truly known. Coincidence? Not so sure. Corporate terrorism? Possible. Lots going on lately, once you link back to Bitcoin, bankers, etc. Some things just don't pass the smell test, and IMO, nothing like this ever happens in isolation.

MRuss
Just heard THE BEST analysis I've heard from a talking head all week. Great logic here and it's helped me to frame this issue differently:

Here is the very informed opinion of a former FAA accident investigator: (Scott Brenner)

By the way, I did a bit of digging on this Scott Brenner fellow, and here you call him a "former FAA accident investigator"... not sure about that. In another Fox News video he is called a "Former FAA Spokesperson"...

So yeah,. exactly what was this guy?

The most truthful thing he says in this video is "Unfortunately we don't know much"... then again, all of us can pretty much surmise that ourselves. In fact, millions of people around the world have surmised that. smh

This guy's guessing just like everyone else. And he seems to be confused about what his connection to the FAA actually was.

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theabsolutetruth
So now we have China's naval fleet out on a duty, Russia is on military alert, as is the US, and probably many other nations, that's a lot of heckles up in the world.

Sometimes things happen that aren't made public and excuses made for military getting into action or on alert. Sometimes it might be just as it is but sometimes it might be something else and MSM fed stories as a smokescreen.

Bang on right there. This is exactly the case. Only 6 major news corporations are in control of all of MSN. Might even be 5 now I think. MSN is little more than a conduit for propaganda, for telling the people not so much what they are required to know, but what is needed for them to BELIEVE in the status quo.

Yes, a lot of tension right now, All of it I would suggest driven by the GFC. There is number one constraint and driving force behind 'the money', where-ever your analysis based on 'following the money' will take you the continuing breakdown of the global financial and economic system is driving the elites to put into action the kinds of long made and temporarily shelved plans factions of them would previously have continued to block.

So when MSN screams 'terrorism' and flashes photos of nervous looking Iranian men in the airport terminal, and beautiful blondes cuddling up to the Malaysian air pilots in the cockpit, etc. you got to know, 1. they can't tell us what has really gone down (not having access to that kind of information), 2. they are being directed to follow definite narrative lines.


BTW have you been banned (or have I?) I can't seem to add a star to your post.

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Maybe there's a reason why this guy is a former FAA accident investigator...

Think about it.

Better idea. Let's find out why! No speculation, let's research and see.

Well, he seems to be a former spokesman.

Scott Brenner is a former spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration...

knlive.ctvnews.ca...

Every link I found calls him a spokesman. This is a link to his credentials:

(This is a PDF)

www.gephardtdc.com...

Scott Brenner brings over 15 years of experience working on Capitol Hill and in the Executive branch on homeland security, aviation, surface and other transportation issues. Scott joined Gephardt Government Affairs in 2010 to oversee the firm’s clients including municipalities, tech companies and metropolitan transit authorities on appropriations and other legislative and regulatory issues at the local and federal levels. With a decade of communications experience on Capitol Hill, Scott also advises clients on winning media strategies. He regularly appears as a guest commentator on network news programs and as a spokesperson for clients.

reply to post by Libertygal

Who is guiding the informatics? What is the intent? What optics are they trying to build? What story do you think they are going to try to put forth as the O.S.? Do you see these changes happening? Do you see any other changes?

I have happened upon this, but what about the others? The plane turned. But not a 180, as one would expect had it found trouble and was heading back. Then, where might it have been heading? Why are they searching everywhere BUT where the plane might be? There are many optics taking shape here.

Why does it matter that the pilots were muslims? What's the intent in releasing that? Why is Iran blaming the US for the plane disappearance? All of these things are being released for a purpose. It is up to is to decipher them. Hopefully before the O.S. comes out.

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Exactly, exactly, exactly.

Hmmm. It must be me. I can't star your post either.

Libertygal
reply to post by JRCrowley

 

Maybe there's a reason why this guy is a former FAA accident investigator...

Think about it.

Better idea. Let's find out why! No speculation, let's research and see.

Uh, that is what I did. You missed the point of my post.

I did the research and I found that there was a discrepancy in what different people were calling him.

EDIT: I actually posted twice on this guy. In the second post I questioned his background and found the discrepancy in his "credentials".

We seem to have new debris found by a Chinese rescue vessel. Picture can be seen HERE

and we also seem to have a letter written from someone on a oil rig that claims they saw the plane that night. That can be seen HERE

Going to try and see where those cords. point too

reply to post by JRCrowley

I didn't miss your point, we posted at the same time, mine just took longer, and we agreed! Check that out.

So, what's the problem?

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Awesome find! Kudos!

It was seen burning, in one piece. Interesting statement to make.

Libertygal
reply to post by JRCrowley

 

I didn't miss your point, we posted at the same time, mine just took longer, and we agreed! Check that out.

So, what's the problem?

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There's no problem. Stay calm.

Not sure if I got this right but I think this is where he is saying he saw it.

MAP VIEW

Im trying to remember if that is where some of the original debris was spotted that got written off as ice particals and flower greenhouse lights?

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Not sure about the photo of the footage but that email is interesting, the guy has a New Zealand pass port, why did it take so long , surely this is pretty good evidence , eye witness account and all

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It's possibly foam from the airliner but that style of foam is also used extensively on boats as insulation and strengthening between decks, hulls and bulkheads .
I'm sticking to my theory.

A quick thought! These stories are available on ATS sorry but don't have time to find them.
China releases pics of cloaking system for there new fighter aircraft!
20 people on the flight work for Freescale semiconductor which specialises in millitary electronics and systems. They also contract to the defence dept.
Could it be that a certain country doesn't want this technology passed onto other countries.
Would it be possible for said country to have the expertise, personnel and funds to disappear an aircraft



Not saying the flight didn't exist. Some sort of false incident on the aircraft, O2 masks drop, something other than 02 in the masks, night night passengers, turn off transponders, land aircraft somewhere obsolete and dispose of the evidence.
With enough hardware a plane could be stripped and disposed of/buried/ crushed in no time.
No more (possible) stealth/ cloaking technology for china and a certain country stays on top for a bit longer

Hasn't the US jus built a massive airbase in northern Australia. Would the aircraft have the range to reach this base. Circumnavigating the populated areas by flying low westwards then south towards Australia ? Or does the us have any other airbases in the area ie Christmas Island ?
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en.wikipedia.org...
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onehuman
We seem to have new debris found by a Chinese rescue vessel. Picture can be seen HERE

Weird, because on the front page of that same site, the top story on the flight says this:

No solid clues found after more than 90 hours of missing flight

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Twice I have read the Americans have built a massive airbase in Northern Australia , that is bs , that air base has been there a long time, they just got permission to use it more with more numbers, they already used it, have been for over 25 years , just to clear that up

Libertygal
reply to post by opethPA

 

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that the story is changing, right before our eyes.

The pilot was portrayed as responsible, if not almost OCD about learning and knowing his plane, and his flight skills.

Now, the image, or optic being put forth is that he was a party animal. *I* am not saying anything, except to NOTICE the optics are changing. That's all I want you guys to do.

Notice it, see it, take note of it. See how it might change, how the "official story" may be taking shape right before your eyes.

The rest is up to you. Consider this along the lines of a 9/11 thread before the O.S. was even released.

Who is guiding the informatics? What is the intent? What optics are they trying to build? What story do you think they are going to try to put forth as the O.S.? Do you see these changes happening? Do you see any other changes?

I have happened upon this, but what about the others? The plane turned. But not a 180, as one would expect had it found trouble and was heading back. Then, where might it have been heading? Why are they searching everywhere BUT where the plane might be? There are many optics taking shape here.

Why does it matter that the pilots were muslims? What's the intent in releasing that? Why is Iran blaming the US for the plane disappearance? All of these things are being released for a purpose. It is up to is to decipher them. Hopefully before the O.S. comes out.

edit on 11-3-2014 by Libertygal because: (no reason given)

There is another plane that suddenly went down in 1987 called the Helderberg which I have been researching for years (my CO was supposed to be on the plane with some materials for one of my weapons programs at Atlas for CI). Now, the plane was due to land in Mauritius, but about 200-250nm NE something happened, we presume a fire based on an onboard incendiary made up of ammonium perchlorate (destined for Somchem and PMP for the SAMS acceleration program), possibly with a mix of aluminum and iron oxides (thermite) which would have produced a 2500 plus degree C accelerated fire that could not be put out. We can establish about 5 reasons why this particular plane was a target. At 135nm NE of Mauritius, the plane made an abrupt turn it appears, about 90 degrees to starboard or changed direction from WSW to NWN.

Since the material on fire was in container PR1 which was starboard and just behind the wing (of the 747-244b combi aircraft) the fire would have probably burned through parts of the superstructure and most likely the skin opening a breach to cause drag and force the plane starboard. Around this time extremely hot flammable gases were probably getting ready to combust at the crown which had already probably been heated enough to cause structural damage but not hull integrity problems. The pilot, Uys, followed the checklist and dropped the plane from 35k feet down towards 5k feet. We expect he started opening the doors once he got down to around 10k feet to evacuate the smoke from the pax cabin and cockpit.

Pax were probably all dead by that time and the FE probably presumed them unconscious, since the combi air system is shared between the pax cabin and the main floor cargo area where the fire was, hydrochloric acid vapour and carbon monoxide tend to kill pretty quickly in a contained space. However, when the FE opened the doors, lots of FRESH air came into the plane at which point the fire would have erupted, the crown would have ruptured and the plane would have broken in half. We find this happened at an altitude of around 8800 feet according to commercial 747 simulators (we used as 747-As400 as the model since a 244 was not available).

So all you need is an accelerated fire and the plane is going down in a dozen or so minutes. When this happened it destroyed electrical systems and navigation systems, blew breakers and made it so the captain had to fly blind. An explosion can do the same kind of damage even quicker, BUT, it will not normally turn the plane if the explosion is large enough to cause structural damage. Forward momentum will carry the plane parts straight forward as it breaks up. In the case of a fast moving fire and breach, there is still time for the pilot to try and overcome the drag produced by the breach. So if the plane did turn, I would say there was a fire on board, very possibly an accelerated fire.

One other thing, in the 80's the military were moving weapons on commercial passenger flights. I expect it is worse now than it was then so one has to consider the possibility that China is looking for a new material that may have been refined somewhere else and that very possibly there is a rat in the works. Just as there was on the Helderberg. One final note, I now always look at is, "who was on or supposed to be on the plane" and "was there any cargo that was questionable?" Sometime a plane can be just too sweet a target for the PTB, when it fits their agenda, just like the Helderberg. If you have interest in this area, you might also want to look at Swiss Air 111 and Pan Am 103. All three of these flights had either questionable/military cargo, pax who made great targets for the PTB or were supposed to have what would have made even better targets for the PTB.

Cheers - Dave