Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

PurpleDog UK
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Bilk 22

What are you suggesting...?

I've only just responded but you're map intrigues me....

PDUK

The map relates to where the transponder signal was lost and how the flight could have circumvented controlled airspace. I don't think it's a coincidence the plane went dark where it did. That's the edge of where it can be tracked via secondary radar - I learned that in this thread The plane was then escorted to Nanming, Guiyang, Guizhou, China where there's probably a suitable military installation to deal with this. The airline didn't report the plane missing for 6 hours. This allowed the Chinese time to get the plane on the ground and to begin either negotiating with those on board or to extract the passengers if they could. It's possible the Chinese government doesn't want to reveal this and instead want the terrorist organization in China to think as the rest of the world is, that the plane is downed in the water, when in reality, the terrorist that boarded are giving up info or soon will be expected to do so.

Well it's a theory, but not from thin air. It has some basis from what we've seen reported. I just tried to put a puzzle together. Obviously no one out of any official loop knows more, so what the heck? 50/50 chance I'm right and that's a better case scenario for the passengers and their families than the alternative. Odd I get attacked here on a site that speculation is certainly rampant

reply to post by Zaphod58


If it just lost power then the glide pattern from that altitude could be 100+ miles in any direction which already puts it at 200 square mile search area .

da pickles
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

If it just lost power then the glide pattern from that altitude could be 100+ miles in any direction which already puts it at 200 square mile search area .

Surely a ' controlled gluide' would have bought it time to convey a distress call or at least belly flop onto the ocean with a chance of debris... .??

The complete lack of evidence or collateral debris sooooooo long after initial notification should raise concerns......?

PDUK

da pickles
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

If it just lost power then the glide pattern from that altitude could be 100+ miles in any direction which already puts it at 200 square mile search area .

The glide distance from 35000 feet would be about 75 miles (or less) given the plane's 11 to 1 glide ratio, but that is still a large search area.

Forgive me fellow members, I usually read all post before posting myself so as not to be redundant, but it is taking me a bit and I wanted to get this out here. To me it is pretty interesting, and should be checked out.

Why has Flight radar changed the flight path?

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Passengers cell phones ringing, find out more: bizjetway.blogspot.co.uk...

reply to post by Bilk22


According to press release at Freescale, there were 20 employees on board, 12 from Malaysia and 8 from China. On March 5th they released a new line of defense products aimed at the military: radar, communications and electronic warfare. This is according to Business Wire.

Another question Im throwing out to the smart ATSers (that includes you):

Can't the last known GPS-Location of the various phones be determined?

Skyfloating
Another question Im throwing out to the smart ATSers (that includes you):

Can't the last known GPS-Location of the various phones be determined?

My understanding (which could be wrong) is this.

If they were making calls, the call records might show which cell towers were used for the call, helping to pinpoint the location.

However if no calls are being made (which is usually the case on a plane) there are no such records.

If they want to triangulate the location of an active phone (one which is turned on but not making calls) it's possible, but I think it has to be done live; I don't know that they can do it afterward like they can when calls are made. Also the phones are supposed to be turned off in flight so they shouldn't even be active.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

This may be a little off topic:

I was once seated on a plane waiting to take off and the gentleman next to me had a passenger claim that he was sitting in his seat. Both the men had the same name and had been issued the same seat on the plane. He was later told that the other gentleman was supposed to be flying on another airline.

I also had to bail out someone from an Orange County jail in upstate New York that I entered the USA with from Canada over the car border. The police stated that there was no record of us entering the USA. I guess it shows that in this day and age with all the technology we have it's still possible that human error plays such a huge part.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Honestly Sky, I've seen this asked at least once on every page since the story popped up...
and not a single response has been given!!!

Personally, I think it's all fabricated or this would have been the first port of call for authorities including FBI!!!

If not fabricated, to be taken with a pinch of salt at least!!!

To answer your question, yes, it could be done... I feel should have, & would have if this was true is highly relevant though!!!
IMO!

Peace!

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


If it did belly flop and sank almost intact then there would be very little debris. As posted previously the aircraft was transitioning an area known for bad communications at the time. If the aircraft exploded mid air then the debris would be scattered over many many miles and yes while some items float a majority sink. Communications in the area between vessels is poor to non existent with the exception of registered shipping . They have been searching an insanely small area of sea

could this have anything to do with it?

m.military.com...

onehuman
Forgive me fellow members, I usually read all post before posting myself so as not to be redundant, but it is taking me a bit and I wanted to get this out here. To me it is pretty interesting, and should be checked out.

Why has Flight radar changed the flight path?

Thanks for that. So if this new information from the radar site is true, then the Vietnamese are holding back information and the search is just an exercise for public consumption. Now can the flight vanish from that site and still be intact, to continue to some destination unknown?

Edit: Adding that the second plane could very well be the Chinese military escort.

Skyfloating
Another question Im throwing out to the smart ATSers (that includes you):

Can't the last known GPS-Location of the various phones be determined?

Nice watch...... !

Yes.

Thanks for the responses to that little question.

Supposedly anything can be tracked these days (or so we believe), but this plane loaded with electronics and equipment just disappears.

Bilk22

onehuman
Forgive me fellow members, I usually read all post before posting myself so as not to be redundant, but it is taking me a bit and I wanted to get this out here. To me it is pretty interesting, and should be checked out.

Why has Flight radar changed the flight path?

Thanks for that. So if this new information from the radar site is true, then the Vietnamese are holding back information and the search is just an exercise for public consumption. Now can the flight vanish from that site and still be intact, to continue to some destination unknown?

Is the current 'search area' the correct area to search.?

PDUK

reply to post by Arbitrageur


I have found conflicting numbers for the glide ratio of the 777. They range from 15.1 to 16.9. Take your choice I guess. Take care.

reply to post by Skyfloating


At such a late stage I'm willing to bet that China knows exactly what happened & why!!!

My conjecture;
Shot down for terror attack threats received at Beijing Airport on the 4th March, this being the same Airport the flight was destined to land/be used kamikaze style into a densely populated area of the Airport!!!

However with no real group to determine behind the alleged threats, it's hard to justify killing 239 people on a hunch... when they have more info/pick something out of their ar**s they can then say "lesser of two evils"!!!


Source for terror threats to Beijing Airport;
focustaiwan.tw...



Peace!

Group called China Martyrs have taken responsibility for the crash.

But no one is taking them seriously.

The people who used the stolen passports were not Chinese.

That's the update while everyone argues back and forth.