Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by OpenMindedRealist


There has been difficulty hearing the black box signals in previous crashes. Sometimes they just don't work. It's rare, but it happens. Someone didn't change a battery, or an antenna broke in the crash, etc. Sometimes they have been destroyed in post impact fires, or by impact damage.

reply to post by watchesfromwall



No that was completely my bad WFW, apologies!
What you say makes much more sense now compared to what I was jabbering on about!

Well that may be the case around the vicinity...
So far most have said that communication was pretty solid up until radar disappearance... Weather was decent and all was good according to reports of early flight transmissions from cockpit to port...
Then they heard nothing from then onwards!
Maybe we will get more info on this later, but with China's secretive approach, we only have their word for now!


As for the Korean plane, all I could find was an article from August 2013 which was wondering why North Korean flights are getting increasingly difficult track!!!
www.nknews.org...
Of course this doesn't relate too much to radar from what I've read, and is probably only relevant to NK!


So far just more speculation and wonder!

I'm with you, hoping for as good an outcome as we can expect after such a long time!!!


Peace!

This whole situation just isn't adding up. There's been plane crashes before and debris is found, i understand theres an extremely large area of where the possible crash could have happened but from every article I've read, the water in these areas is not considered deep, and the black box should transmit a signal for like 30 days? It just seems really weird that they just dont know what happened to this plane and all the passengers ESPECIALLY with the 19 families that are able to call their relatives and have the phones ring, if the plane exploded, or crashed, surely none of those phones would survive the impact or the water...i really feel that something is being hidden. And with all the reports of the phones ringing why has there been no information of cell phone companies trying to track these phones? Its like they're just skipping over that piece of the story. What reason wouldthey have to not try and look for the phone signals if they werent trying to hide something?

Zap, was it determined that the aircraft, went lost, was in radar range with a primary return or was the last data just ads-b type info?

reply to post by Zaphod58


...And those tickets were purchased through a travel agency in Thailand (who produced copies of the stolen passports to cameras)

www.nbcnews.com...

Iranian Bought Tickets For Fake Passport Passengers: Report
BY HENRY AUSTIN
The tickets used by the fake passport carrying passengers aboard the missing Air Malaysia Flight 370 bought their tickets through a travel agency in Pattaya, Thailand, according to a report in a British newspaper.

The tickets were booked through an Iranian middleman known as “Mr Ali” a Thai travel agent told the Financial Times newspaper (registration required).

The newspaper quoted Benjaporn Krutnait, owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency in Pattaya, as saying the Iranian had asked her to book the two men to travel to Europe on March 1, specifying only that she find them cheap tickets.

reply to post by watchesfromwall


Info on who bought the tickets.
www.nbcnews.com...

On the subject of finding the plane....couldn't they just look up all the mobile numbers belonging to the people on the flight manifest and communicate with the network providers to triangulate the last known position of each mobile phone?

Would it help?

It might not, but surely someone on that flight had an active mobile at the time of the crash, just a thought.

reply to post by ML8715


Thanks I didn't see that report.

reply to post by watchesfromwall


So how does that make any difference? The airline that provided the warning was China Airlines. The tickets were bought on China Southern. Travel agents work with many different airlines. China and China Southern are completely separate airlines that have nothing to do with each other, contrary to earlier comments.

reply to post by ML8715


I agree. When I heard the news reports this morning, about there not being anything in the ocean found yet, and they think it's a big mystery, WOW!! I'm just following what our more experienced posters are saying, because, techno speaking, I have no clue how this plane just blinked off the radar like that??? Odd.....

reply to post by solargeddon


if it crashed over the ocean, i doubt any cell towers would've picked them up. Not to mention, cell phones dont work at 35,000 feet. You're too high, and going too fast for the towers to maintain the signal.

Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas
When AirFrance447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 they didn't find any trace of it for a week.

It took another TWO YEARS to find the FDR/CVR Black-Boxes.

So people can be patient to find out what really happened or just throw out wild and baseless conjecture about bombs, missiles, hijackings and other nefarious plots as "What must have happened".

At present there are not enough facts to develop any kind of conclusion whatsoever.

Patience people.

edit on 10-3-2014 by Leonidas because: (no reason given)

LEO you don't like my theory?

Hey seems the passports weren't as insignificant as you believed. But it was good reason to use to get our LEOs involved

Seems that the fact that interpol reports that 40,000,000 fake passports are out there and that outside the US, diligence in checking them at the airport is not what you would hope doesnt affect people's need to make the passports a critical issue.

There are several facts and articles quoted here and on the internet about the ridiculous number of fake and stolen passports are out there and how they are used.

What I find interesting is that some people get committed to a theory and refuse to let it go, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Go back into the thread to see all the quoted articles and statistics regarding your pet issue.

You know I was wondering what evidence to the contrary there is? We only know that people boarded that plane illegally. You don't seem to want to pay any consideration to that aspect. You want to go off on a tangent claiming it probably blew up or catastrophically destructed without any evidence of such.

For information, the passport issue could not be relevant, the link below says on Air India plane crashed in Mangalore 2010 there were as many as 10 fraudulent passports:

The presence of two passengers with stolen passports is a breach of security, but could relate to illegal migration. John Magaw - a former under-secretary for the US Transport and Security Administration and former director of the US Secret Service - has told the BBC there were "quite a few people that do fly, especially in that part of the world, with improper identification or false identification".

Source

reply to post by Zaphod58


Was just an additional source for support of your assertions. Sorry if you took it differently, grumpy :-). Oops I mean cranky :-)

reply to post by roadgravel


It looks like it was right near the edge of the Malaysian Primary coverage area.

Bilk22

AlanQaida
reply to post by Bilk22

 

I think you're right, 239 passengers, at least 100 would have smart phones, iphones etc, if the gov can snoop on the average joe at anytime, I'm sure they know where they are!

ETA: basing the last part in regards to the chinese guy who has been calling his brother and getting no answer etc.

edit on 10/3/2014 by AlanQaida because: (no reason given)

At this point, there's more reason to believe the plane is still intact and on the ground than the other theories of what might have happened, especially in light of the initial reports it was on the ground in China and had been escorted there by Chinese fighters.

Ha-ah-haa...wha?

I cant tell when you are kidding anymore.

reply to post by watchesfromwall


Sorry, didn't mean to come across so grumpy. Long night, not a lot of sleep.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Yes, because if you had read carefully, the airline that sold the tickets is NOT the airline that allegedly received the threat to the airport.

From your previous post:

China Airlines said it received the warning from a caller who claimed to work for an anti-terrorist organization in France.

The caller first spoke in French but as the switchboard operator could not understand him, he then switched to Mandarin Chinese, the airline said.

The reported call came just after an attack March 1 in a train station in Kunming, China, in which more than 30 people were killed.

From the news sources:

Beijing: The tickets to the holders of the stolen Austrian and Italian passports were sold by China Southern Airlines, which has a code share agreement with Malaysia Airlines, according to China Southern’s account on Sina Weibo, the Chinese microblog platform.

gulfnews.com...

China and China Southern are completely different airlines and have nothing to do with each other.

In fact China Airlines is actually from Taiwan, not China.

Maybe so. Interesting that China South Airlines is actually a Chinese company

Edit: The also have a hub in Guizhou, China where the plane was reported to have "landed safely".

reply to post by Bilk22


There is no "maybe so". They are two different airlines, in two different countries.

Probably because, I don't know, they were travelling to China, on the way to Europe?


Nah...Way too easy.

Bilk22

Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas
When AirFrance447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 they didn't find any trace of it for a week.

It took another TWO YEARS to find the FDR/CVR Black-Boxes.

So people can be patient to find out what really happened or just throw out wild and baseless conjecture about bombs, missiles, hijackings and other nefarious plots as "What must have happened".

At present there are not enough facts to develop any kind of conclusion whatsoever.

Patience people.

edit on 10-3-2014 by Leonidas because: (no reason given)

LEO you don't like my theory?

Hey seems the passports weren't as insignificant as you believed. But it was good reason to use to get our LEOs involved

Seems that the fact that interpol reports that 40,000,000 fake passports are out there and that outside the US, diligence in checking them at the airport is not what you would hope doesnt affect people's need to make the passports a critical issue.

There are several facts and articles quoted here and on the internet about the ridiculous number of fake and stolen passports are out there and how they are used.

What I find interesting is that some people get committed to a theory and refuse to let it go, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Go back into the thread to see all the quoted articles and statistics regarding your pet issue.

You know I was wondering what evidence to the contrary there is? We only know that people boarded that plane illegally. You don't seem to want to pay any consideration to that aspect. You want to go off on a tangent claiming it probably blew up or catastrophically destructed without any evidence of such.

You are completely ignoring what I have written.

Way back before you got on your hobby horse, I said that the passport issue is possibility but that other aspects need to be investigated first and more importantly.

When I first made that point the only hard data I had on stolen passports was from US for one year and that number was over 50,000. It now turns out that there are over 40,000,000 out there. So ubiquitous that Interpol said that pretty much every international flight has at least a couple of people with stolen or forged documents on board.

Find the debris, then the FDR/CVR. Then discover what really happened.

But go ahead and fixate on the passports all you want. You could be right, by chance.