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Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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To add to this The European Aviation Safety Agency issued a directive in late August requiring airlines to replace pitot tubes manufactured by Thales Avionics on Airbus A330s and A340s. It said airlines should replace them with other Thales tubes and those manufactured by Goodrich. (www.cnn.com...)




posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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Of course, although it would be interesting to see if they changed anything in the Dreamliner.

I doubt it, being Boeing. They don't like Change much.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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I remember when that one came out. It surprised me because at one point they strongly recommended they change to Goodrich.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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Zaphod58
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Of course, although it would be interesting to see if they changed anything in the Dreamliner.

I doubt it, being Boeing. They don't like Change much.


The 787 controls are still interlinked. www.wired.com...



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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Bilk22

Leonidas
When AirFrance447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 they didn't find any trace of it for a week.

It took another TWO YEARS to find the FDR/CVR Black-Boxes.

So people can be patient to find out what really happened or just throw out wild and baseless conjecture about bombs, missiles, hijackings and other nefarious plots as "What must have happened".

At present there are not enough facts to develop any kind of conclusion whatsoever.

Patience people.
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LEO you don't like my theory?


Hey seems the passports weren't as insignificant as you believed. But it was good reason to use to get our LEOs involved


Seems that the fact that interpol reports that 40,000,000 fake passports are out there and that outside the US, diligence in checking them at the airport is not what you would hope doesnt affect people's need to make the passports a critical issue.

There are several facts and articles quoted here and on the internet about the ridiculous number of fake and stolen passports are out there and how they are used.

What I find interesting is that some people get committed to a theory and refuse to let it go, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Go back into the thread to see all the quoted articles and statistics regarding your pet issue.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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i found another article about the passenger phones ringing with a little more detail

www.examiner.com...

interesting part

Today, the brother of a man who is listed on the missing airplane’s manifest demonstrated for Chinese television that he could dial his sibling’s mobile phone, which was with him on the plane, and that the call was connected and rang several times indicating the phone is working, turned on and able to be answered somewhere.

was not one ring like some else thought.... how did the brother know the phone is on the plane, unless he talked to the brother on the plane before it took off.....I can't be sure of that, though...
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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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Whatever happend, it happend fast! It happend so fast that all power to the plan was Interrupted immediately resulting in no SOS or distress call. This leads to two out comes, one, it brock up in midair instantaneously on a clear and calm day, doubt it. Two, it blew up by either a bomb in the forward cargo hold below the pilots, hence the no distress call, or was shot down and hit from the front.
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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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I've been hearing this, and has it been discussed...that the flight was a terrorist test run, to see if they could blow up a plane successfully. That's why it was a oddly chosen flight, and no one is claiming credit. The real event will happen at a later date, and involve more planes, in a more industrialized area.

Heard the tail end of this suggestion on mass media, actually, which wasn't surprising given the terror attack angle. However, it does make sense.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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Zaphod58
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Of course, although it would be interesting to see if they changed anything in the Dreamliner.


They haven't.

I'm rated on the B777, and all it takes me to fly our B787's is a 5 day difference course. (B777 and B787 share a common rating)



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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I usually read and never reply.......this is my first official post, so hi all!


People seem to be talking about the striking similarities between the Air France 447 and the Malaysia Airline MH370, but I disagree, there are many differences between them:
- MH370 didn't traverse an area of violent weather like AF447 did. The pilots of MH370 never reported any severe turbulence.
- MH370 did not send any error messages which indicates all was working fine
-In case of a computer crash the pilots of MH370 can manually override the system, which was not possible with AF447.

I was just watching the news, and it seems that the authorities have no wreckage and no clues.
Maybe Leonidas is right.....maybe we need to be patient and just wait....




posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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A little sidenote from the theories of "what happened?"!!!

More along the lines of "what's next."!!!



Is this going to lead to an international calling for GPS systems within every aircraft, and a new addition to the Black Box systems that are both readable from the ground, whether it be directed towards Military Bases, Airports or both!!!

This seems to be common sense when put into words...
Practicality may be what has stopped this from being a fact up until now!!!


Surely it would bring an end to constant debate, fright and being completely in the dark!!!


Peace!



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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Bilk22
I'm revising my theory a bit in light of new information. If the reports of a terrorist strike planned for Beijing are indeed true, then this could reinforce the landing in Nanming, however for a different reason. The reports of a Chinese escort reinforce the theory as well. The plane was forced down in a more remote airport so the Chinese could either extricate the terrorists before they pulled off what ever was planned. There may be a standoff yet underway in the airport and why there's no definitive statements from all involved. I think the Chinese would rather handle it this way that broadcast or admit they're being targeted by terrorist organizations. They want control of the information and the outcome, which unfortunately still might be the destruction of the plane if they cannot arrive at an outcome suitable to them. The cell phones still ringing support the idea the plane didn't end up in the drink. The other nations involved pretty much are powerless so they're giving the Chinese the time to work this out their way. Just a theory

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Looking at the report of the terrorist plot again we see that China Airlines was where the warning originated. This is the same airline that sold the tickets to the guys with the stolen passports? Hmmm? This is interesting. I wonder if this was done purposefully to set a larger trap for the terrorist group?




China Airlines said it received the warning from a caller who claimed to work for an anti-terrorist organization in France.

The caller first spoke in French but as the switchboard operator could not understand him, he then switched to Mandarin Chinese, the airline said.

The reported call came just after an attack March 1 in a train station in Kunming, China, in which more than 30 people were killed.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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Ivar_Karlsen

I am jealous. I only fly the "light twin" 757 and 767. Rather used to, I am retired now. Keep the shiny side up!
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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas
When AirFrance447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 they didn't find any trace of it for a week.

It took another TWO YEARS to find the FDR/CVR Black-Boxes.

So people can be patient to find out what really happened or just throw out wild and baseless conjecture about bombs, missiles, hijackings and other nefarious plots as "What must have happened".

At present there are not enough facts to develop any kind of conclusion whatsoever.

Patience people.
edit on 10-3-2014 by Leonidas because: (no reason given)
LEO you don't like my theory?


Hey seems the passports weren't as insignificant as you believed. But it was good reason to use to get our LEOs involved


Seems that the fact that interpol reports that 40,000,000 fake passports are out there and that outside the US, diligence in checking them at the airport is not what you would hope doesnt affect people's need to make the passports a critical issue.

There are several facts and articles quoted here and on the internet about the ridiculous number of fake and stolen passports are out there and how they are used.

What I find interesting is that some people get committed to a theory and refuse to let it go, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Go back into the thread to see all the quoted articles and statistics regarding your pet issue.

No one is arguing the fact that passports are stolen and used. However there's no lack of coincidence here that this flight went missing with at least two people surreptitiously onboard. Now to find out what really is happening



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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interesting read, to clarify my initial post, I work in operations at an airport and my direct supervisors are ARO's, and a couple are pilots, who are confident that slick is coral spawn.

now if the phones are ringing why hasn't the government traced the phones?



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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I might as well throw out my crazy theory.

Terrorists hijacked the plane, possibly by an explosive on the pilot cabin door, giving them no time for a distress call. They then immediately dropped in altitude until they were below the radar operating line, flew to a remote airfield that had been prepared. The passengers are all being held hostage somewhere. The plane is being prepared to be used as either a missile, or as a bomb delivery device. The terrorists will make a public announcement once everything is in place.
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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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rockflier

Ivar_Karlsen

I am jealous. I only fly the "light twin" 757


Also called "the rocket"!
The one with the rollers.
Lucky you.


The 757 that is.
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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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Welcome to ATS Ag!!!

A great first post, deserves a great big star!!!


Some excellent points made, I'm sure a lot of people were wondering and didn't know when to add that to their daily planner of info to search regarding this thread!

Have fun within this library of enlightening entertainment...



Peace!



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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I was wondering that as well, would seem the logical thing to do...



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 10:54 AM
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Leonidas

generik

while i suspect (too lazy to check the numbers right now), that a triple 7 requires more length than say a ww2 bomber, it would not be all that difficult to extend an existing runway or even build a new one with no reports getting out.


WW2 landing strips would be radically too short.


i guess you missed the part about "extending" the runways, or building a new one? or a later post where i mentioned using crash barrier nets, to decrease the landing length requirements.

i personally would give this idea a low probability, but it is still possible, and i hope those searching check on it as well as looking for a crash site.

sadly both China (who had the most "nationals" on board), as well as Malaysia have had fairly recent terrorist type things going on. China had that recent Knife attack, and Malaysia has had some issues with the Sulu sultanate, wanting "their" land back. in fact that little war was just under a year ago, and if i remember right i have seen reports of at least one of the leaders "disappearing" and said to be dead fairly recently, with of course doubts to his being dead. so a "terrorist" issue is not as far fetched as some would think it. it seems that this is even being said on the news now.


European officials said it appeared two people on board were using stolen passports and Malaysian Transport Minister Hishamuddin Hussein said authorities were also checking the identities of two other passengers. "All the four names are with me," said Hishamuddin, who is also defense minister. "I have indicated to our intelligence agencies and I have also spoken to international intelligence agencies for assistance." He said help was also being sought from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). However, an attack was only one of the possibilities being investigated. "We are looking at all possibilities," he said. "We cannot jump the gun. Our focus now is to find the plane." The Chinese official Xiamen Daily reported that one of the passengers who was supposed to be on the flight, according to the manifest, was at home in China. The name on the passport and the passport number did not match, according to the newspaper. It was not immediately clear if the Chinese person's identity was among those being investigated. Read more: www.businessinsider.com...


we have even gone from two stolen passports, to add another forged passport and still one or two others being investigated. so that is 3-5 possible terrorists so far.




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