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charlyv
demus
charlyv
reply to post by demus
Holy crap, what is important here really eludes you.
what is important about the missing plane?
and I mean IMPORTANT.
please enlighten me, I'm willing to come to the light.
Well, 239 people are missing. Could have been you, me, our families.... If finding out what happened to them is not important to you, well perhaps you should reevaluate your priorities.
If you think you know their fate, perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us as to where you got your information.
sy.gunson
You made a comment dismissing the Chinese discovery saying it could be something else so I am asking you what else could it reasonably be and now you're saying you don't know?
About that, yes, maybe 1.1 Hz, and I've seen no reports of the duty cycle of the pings found, in the media reports.
charlyv
Not only that, but on a 1Hz duty cycle. That repetition rate is supposed to be emergency only using the 37.5 kHz frequency.
UKGuy1805
reply to post by sy.gunson
I agree alot of what is said here - But, I dont think what was seen in the shape of a fire/flames from the aircraft, could have been so graphic as surely for it to have been a fire on the outside of the plane, it would have indicated either a fusalage breakthrough due to heat/flames?
....and surely this would have had to be of a reasonable size to be seen from some distance 20/30/40 + miles away, or otherwise it would have to have been an internal fire, the question is(and excuse me if its been already answered)?
was the plane witnessed with the fire flying normaly engine sound normal? or was it reported as diving with that unique sound from a diving plane, due to the fire.
OatDelphi
reply to post by sy.gunson
I'm not for certain but it would seem she is being sarcastic about the Mangosteens...
BurningSpearess
reply to post by auroraaus
I consulted with Mr. BurningSpearess, who is a Chemical Engineer, & in his best layperson's terms (I'm only an imaginary engineer by his standards, lol) he tried to break it down for me how the mangosteens could be a culprit for an explosion...
He based it on the initial composition of the fruit as cargo + amount + processes occurring due to pressurization...
Lax cargo rules, especially, could play a role as it seems to be in 370...
He described as something similar to putting hay in a cargo, & how could that not possibly create a fire hazard as well?
BTW... he is so sick of hearing about this carp it's like, calm down & get on with it...but then again, he's always despised ATS...
charlyv
reply to post by sy.gunson
Don't you think it would be blindingly obvious in the middle of the greatest air-sea search in history with 13 ships and 18 aircraft, if someone else had military equipment pinging away at 37.5 kHz in exactly the same location?
Not only that, but on a 1Hz duty cycle. That repetition rate is supposed to be emergency only using the 37.5 kHz frequency. The reason the audio frequency is so high, is that it will not traverse sound channels very well, and will be attenuated. Lower frequencies, while giving greater detection ranges, can get trapped in the sound channels produced by steep thermoclines and lead to ambiguous ranges and bearings.
...and because of the low lateral detection distance, a ship has to be almost overhead which makes determining the direction harder.
I am puzzled that the Ocean Shield reports detecting a signal 200km away and wonder if that means each black box sank in a different place or if the ping would be trapped between thermoclines and propagate sideways?
auroraaus
OatDelphi
reply to post by sy.gunson
I'm not for certain but it would seem she is being sarcastic about the Mangosteens...
A little from column a, a little from column b.
Exploding fruit in asia isn't new.
China farmers face exploding watermelon problem
Due to a combination of a new growth accelerator and a wetter season than normal...in that case.
What I am interested in, is the C02 effusion rate from rotting mangosteens, and the potential, if they are packed in reaaally tight in say, metal canisters, maybe with a few ball bearings for good measure and see what would happen if the outside atmosphere was depressurized suddenly...
This is no more a crazy idea then some of the others being thrown about!
Murgatroid
reply to post by sy.gunson
...and because of the low lateral detection distance, a ship has to be almost overhead which makes determining the direction harder.
I am puzzled that the Ocean Shield reports detecting a signal 200km away and wonder if that means each black box sank in a different place or if the ping would be trapped between thermoclines and propagate sideways?
Agreed 100%.
No WAY a low power signal can travel 200km...
Even an extremely high power sonar signal (200dB+) has a hard time going long distances except under very rare convergence zone conditions.
Former Navy sonar tech BTW...