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Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:13 AM
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Um... it would seem there are some discrepancies with that particular manifest. I wonder are the patent holders accounted for?

Peidong Wang
Zhijun Chen
Zhihong Cheng
Li Ying Suzhou.




posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:20 AM
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Is that the list of patent holders?

This is the manifest from the airline, have a look and see if those names match up

MH370 passenger manifest



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:27 AM
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it the computer or an the control wiring controlling the auto pilot is in cockpit then no way would the plane continue on in autopilot the plane with no control system would become immediately unstable and 5 minutes later be in ocean. I don't buy fire in cockpit.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:32 AM
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Yeah they are the patent holders, they are not on that particular manifest.
Although there were two passengers with false passports and two who checked in but didnt board.
What are the chances?

Latest theories involve Diego Garcia, heard anything?



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:35 AM
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Two stolen passport holders were "iranian refugees" (official story)
two checked in didn't board... the stories about checked in didn't board passengers have proved false... apparently.

Diego Garcia is still an idea being tossed up around here.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:54 AM
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Malaysian Airlines refusing to reveal cargo manifest raises some serious flags.
Are the two naval officers believed to have committed suicide linked?



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:55 AM
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auroraaus
reply to post by lestweforget
 


Two stolen passport holders were "iranian refugees" (official story)
two checked in didn't board... the stories about checked in didn't board passengers have proved false... apparently.

Diego Garcia is still an idea being tossed up around here.


When the plane turned was its heading a straight line to DG? If it was then maybe the plane was set on its destination course!

I dont buy suicide (apart from possible pilot hero scenario preventing H's completing their mission and possibly savind 1000's lives as opposed to 239) nor do I buy the plane got into troublle and then flew on for another 6 or 7 hours (bull#).

And if not pilot hero then the H's have the plane, whoever they are? Afghan/Paky/ALQ or US/UK/France - Russia??

I repeat what I said earlier that the crash location was maybe chosen for facilitate future declaration that the plane and BB's could not be recovered.

The truth in this matter may never be known or it maybe known sooner and more devastatingly than you can imagine.

I also find it highly suspicious and deflectory that Malaysia have sent out text messages stating that the plane crashed and passengers are dead without absolute proof/evidence and confirmation that the plane went down in the IO! This is an attempt to appease or con the relatives and the world.

Beware fellow earthlings because there is so much going off on this planet at the moment that something is in the works!!!!!
edit on 25-3-2014 by RP2SticksOfDynamite because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:01 AM
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I had bought this up in another thread though it could be relevant. Could this not be an unfortunate though co-incidental accident? Or really what I am saying is does anyone know the financial standing of Malaysian Airlines(MAS) , could they be going under? As alluded to on this thread there have been some issues with emergency landings with MAS aircraft, could these be maintenance related?

I do know from observations that if a transport company is going under it is usually maintenance and servicing that are skimped. MAS apparently had the aircraft in for a minor overhaul, perhaps a component that needed to be replaced was not as the worker was told by his team leader, we don't have the budget for that, component was not replaced or exchanged with another faulty unit, signed off on the paper work to confirm its airworthiness, thus forging documents.

Aircraft mechanic keeps his mouth shut as its his bread and butter, he has commitments a family to support, perhaps his teamleader threatened him with job loss, mechanic knows that aircraft engineer jobs are few and far between, keeps his mouth shut.

I forgot to add: MAS get paid out for the loss of the aircraft, thus keeping them afloat a bit longer, MAS play along with the whole show, throwing incorrect information in the public domain, thus causing so many conflicting stories that its hard to seperate the pooh from the shovel. I honestly do know who to believe.

I know that there are so many theories though it could be something so simple.


edit on 25-3-2014 by robsmith because: incomplete



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:03 AM
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robsmith
I had bought this up in another thread though it could be relevant. Could this not be an unfortunate though co-incidental accident? Or really what I am saying is does anyone know the financial standing of Malaysian Airlines(MAS) , could they be going under? As alluded to on this thread there have been some issues with emergency landings with MAS aircraft, could these be maintenance related?

I do know from observations that if a transport company is going under it is usually maintenance and servicing that are skimped. MAS apparently had the aircraft in for a minor overhaul, perhaps a component that needed to be replaced was not as the worker was told by his team leader, we don't have the budget for that, component was not replaced or exchanged with another faulty unit, signed off on the paper work to confirm its airworthiness, thus forging documents.

Aircraft mechanic keeps his mouth shut as its his bread and butter, he has commitments a family to support, perhaps his teamleader threatened him with job loss, mechanic knows that aircraft engineer jobs are few and far between, keeps his mouth shut.

I know that there are so many theories though it could be something so simple.



I would say that too many coicidences (and confusion/disinfo) does not = coincidental accident, infact the opposite!!



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:07 AM
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Retracted statements are always a key indicator.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:20 AM
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lestweforget: Lack of disclosure re: cargo concerns me. I would think international security/relations would take precedent to a police investigation. But that's just me. The two SEAL officers on the seychelles, I am yet to see a credible source for it.

RP2: I am with you, but could you refrain from saying Paky? It's offensive. Pakistani would suffice.

robsmith: (I love the cure). From my understanding Malaysian Airways were struggling due to increased costs, cheaper competition and global slowdown in airtravel from the GFC but were still at least making a profit.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:24 AM
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it the computer or an the control wiring controlling the auto pilot is in cockpit then no way would the plane continue on in autopilot the plane with no control system would become immediately unstable and 5 minutes later be in ocean. I don't buy fire in cockpit.
The pilot of the Egyptair 888 that caught fire in Cairo doesn't seem to think the same kind of fire is likely:

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Cairo 777 cockpit fire could yield clues to missing plane

However Shaheer Magdy Abdel Sayyed, the pilot on the Egyptair flight where the fire took place, saw significant differences between the two incidents.

The problem happened with my aircraft at the ground. If the same problem happened while the plane flying it will not last for too long before it fall.''

"It was very fortunate for me and for the passengers and the crew that it was in the ground but if it happened while the plane flying there will not be any flying, the plane will not fly all that distance and will fall immediately in its location"
However, I think it's important to note that the oxygen content on the ground is much higher than at 35,000 feet. If the fire was fed by the pilot's emergency oxygen supply, this is a limited supply, which could have burned some circuits like communication, then depleted before burning out others, like autopilot. So while I agree if the fire at 35,000 feet was the same as the fire on the ground, you and the pilot are right that the plane wouldn't continue flying for long, I can't agree that is definitely the kind of fire that would be experienced at 35,000 feet.

I'm not saying it was a fire, only that I'm not ready to rule it out. I'm still hoping they will find the black boxes which may help explain what happened.

edit on 25-3-2014 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:36 AM
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Auroraaus, I hope that you are right, I hope this does not become an attitude like it was in the 70's with the DC-10 Cargo doors blowing out and causing loss of life, and at the time McDonnel-Douglas took the risk knowing of the problem, though considered paying compensation is cheaper than temporarily withdrawing aircraft from service to replace the cargo door locking mechanism's.

Or even ford with their known Firestone tyre issue on the ford explorer, cheaper to pay than recall.

Cheers for the Cure, great music.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:50 AM
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70s were a wee bit before my time, although I was half an egg then


One of the ideas I had was along similar veins of the Olympic/Titanic insurance fraud conjecture, given that the plane in question had a series accident on it's tail awhile back (although repaired and cleared) and some interesting digging from fellow ATSers regarding planes sold by MA and being de-constructed etc

Insurance companies, no matter how stingy/reluctant to pay up, would rather settle as fast as they can to avoid negative publicity (for being stingy), in light of mass loss of life.

Edit: You should have seen me when I did my hair up like Robert Smiths. So awesome. I chopped off all my hair recently to support my mama who is undergoing cancer treatment. She's balder that Nic Cage photoshopped onto a bald eagle! Love you Mama!! xx
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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:55 AM
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Arbitrageur[/]


I'm not saying it was a fire, only that I'm not ready to rule it out. I'm still hoping they will find the black boxes which may help explain what happened.

edit on 25-3-2014 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



Yep I am with you there, only one conspiracy here why has that plane ditched in the southern of the Indian Ocean . That's what peeps should be focusing on, was it to save more deaths crashing into a major city or is it to save Boeing maybe they knew the plane was in trouble and remote flew it into the southern ocean to save lives.
Could Boeing remote fly that plane if they really wanted to, ? Maybe. are they going to release that technology , I doubt it, Boeing make satellites don't they

This stinks more then a maggot on a piece of rotten meat it's just not cricket.
Anyway think of the ramifications if that plane did crash into a city, think if the crew were knocked out and the passengers, where that plan ended up is the perfect place don't you think, how did it get there by chance?

Sorry I don't buy that, that's what everyone should be focusing on how did it crash into the Southern Indian ocean one of the deepest and most volatile oceans on earth, perfect place to ditch a plane don't you think?



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 05:58 AM
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Arbitrageur

Thurisaz
I just read this on abc news:

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Authorities defend text message to families revealing missing plane's fate

so from that it appears they have notified the families via sms a text message

wow... what a compassionate way to be notified.
Did you read the headline, or the article? Your comment makes it sound like you read the headline. The article says this:


"Wherever humanly possible, we did so in person with the families or by telephone, using SMS only as an additional means of ensuring fully that the nearly 1,000 family members heard the news from us and not from the media."
Many of the families were in Beijing and they called them to a meeting at a hotel there to announce it to them personally before the rest of the world. Apparently they tried to call others not in attendance but not everybody answered, and not everybody saw their text message before seeing it on the news. However it does seem like the airlines took steps to notify as many people as they could, and the text message was just one method. Yes it's impersonal but still better than seeing it on the news for the first time, which still happened to some people.

So if they tried to phone them and couldn't reach them, I'm not sure what they should have done differently. On something this high profile they can't really delay the announcement for days until they reach every last family member, can they?
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Not really sure how it is on that side of the pond, but here, in order to even book a flight ticket, you have to give them two ounces of blood, three poop samples, all of your personal information, address, passport, and emergency contact information.

Surely, if they were not trying to be evasive, they'd have gotten a few of their management personnel up off their arses and directly to these addresses to notify the next of kin.

But, for convenience sake . . . with that being their convenience, they gave them a jingle on the telly and failing that, they sent them a text.

How positively compassionate.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 06:12 AM
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GoalPoster
Not really sure how it is on that side of the pond, but here, in order to even book a flight ticket, you have to give them two ounces of blood, three poop samples, all of your personal information, address, passport, and emergency contact information.

Surely, if they were not trying to be evasive, they'd have gotten a few of their management personnel up off their arses and directly to these addresses to notify the next of kin.
Right they get a lot of info on passengers, but for next of kin all they've ever asked me for is a phone number.

They claim they did all that was humanly possible to contact them personally. Whether that's true or not and exactly what they did I don't know, but if you're a foreigner in China, it's not the easiest country to get around in; I've been there. It's a lot easier in the UK or the US.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 06:13 AM
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Does anyone think that the flight data and voice recorders may give any viable information as the recording time is only two hours. Also if according to presumed stories, if there was a cockpit fire, could the fire have damaged cables and wires which connect from the cockpit to the voice and data recorders thus severing the link, so it may be there is only silence and no flight characteristics for the final two hours.

So no there will be no evidence to indicate whether the pilots manually adjusted the waypoints on the auto pilot, if the autopilot was even engaged.

All stories then will only be presumption, the only actual fact (to be confirmed) is the plane is off the West Australian coast.

Also if the aircraft was deliberately crashed by suicide of the pilot, as far as I remember reading somewhere that if an aircraft crashes through mechanical error compansation will be paid as it is an airline fault. Should an individual deliberately cause a plane to be lost, thus the pilot personally caused the loss, no compensation will be paid by the airline. The relatives need to commence civil action, which wont be possible as you cant sue a dead man.

I do see that if this is correct why Malaysian Airways are pushing the pilot suicide theory. On channel nine in Australia there is a special on the MH370 disappearance, and there is one panel member who is really pushing the suicide theory, does he expect the public to go "yeah o.k that must be it, he looks like a professional"



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 06:21 AM
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It is totally possible to remote control aircraft, the USAF have been using F4 Phantom's as remote controlled target drones, check out the following link, they have been coducting this for years.


www.fencecheck.com...:_The_USAF%92s_QF-4_Target_Drones



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 07:13 AM
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auroraaus
lestweforget: Lack of disclosure re: cargo concerns me. I would think international security/relations would take precedent to a police investigation. But that's just me. The two SEAL officers on the seychelles, I am yet to see a credible source for it.

RP2: I am with you, but could you refrain from saying Paky? It's offensive. Pakistani would suffice.

robsmith: (I love the cure). From my understanding Malaysian Airways were struggling due to increased costs, cheaper competition and global slowdown in airtravel from the GFC but were still at least making a profit.



not intending to be offensive just short forming
do the same with ALQ
will use P's in future



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