Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by MRuss


Hitting the water at speed is much the same as hitting the ground at speed, water does not compress.

If the aircraft came straight down from 35000, there would not be anything left to find on the surface. Heavy parts would instantly sink and lighter parts would disintegrate.

P

MRuss

Just seems weird that there's nothing floating around near the oil slicks.

I found this site due to this happening, which im glad of because you have interesting topics about things we have been talkin about with my friends. As a first post i would like to say there is no acceptable execuse for the fact they havent found ANYTHING of that area except oil slicks. Personally I think we live in time where you can spot even a needle of a haystack, which makes me wonder how you people think that any1 doesnt know where the plane is... my point is this must be once again hardcore cover-up which will be explained by...??? (no idea what they will come up this time.) And yet again some1 needed something off that plane or it will crash somewhere after refueling, IMO things seems to be goin deep now....

Sorry for my bad english it aint my motherlanguage

Bilk22

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Bilk22

 

They seem to be stored, you can do playbacks of whatever location and time you would like from the appearance of this site, pretty cool really...(its the first time I ever saw this site!)

But they are saying:

" Flightradar24.com ‏@flightradar24 5h

Today's MH370 will probably disappear from FR24 soon, due to bad ADS-B coverage in parts of China."

Therefore, it is probable this kid saw this tweet and recorded it himself, you can do this if you have the right software on your computer.

edit on 8-3-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

So since you're the "Czar of Press and Communications"

where do you think the story about the flight performing an emergency landing in Nanming came from? It's actually all over the net and not just those two instances I posted above. I mean I can see some type of error picked up and reported by outlets getting it from a newswire, but this was pretty specific in nature. Places and names are associated with it. A few also report the flight was escorted by Chinese fighters as their transponder was not working so they were forced to land. Reporting all that and then it being "an error" just seems implausible.

edit on 8-3-2014 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)

Perhaps not as implausible as one might think.

First, Malaysia and the airline wanted to keep people calm until they knew more about what did happen - they had a vested interest in it actually. So they were the most likely to spew some disinformation out in order to assuage people's immediate fears and bide some time.

Second, journalists don't much do investigative reports anymore, they are copy-pasters these days, so once you throw out some disinfo, it is likely to be spewed on a bunch of sites and msm will eat it up, little work involved yet a good story.

So it all works hand in hand, keep people's hopes up until you find the actual truth, and word gets around.

The second journalists find out the info was false though, they have to delete it or they get a real bad name; someone looked into it deep enough to prove the info false and everyone chased tail to remove it.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


Why? They rarely crash and frankly - its all no stress, cos' you either get there or you don't. My heart goes out the the families involved.

raedar
Anyone familiar with this radar? Gets weird around the 3:00 mark as a plane to the east changed direction, turns into a question mark, comes back on and accelerates with much greater speed. I have no idea, just wanted to see what you guys know. It sure is strange.

Sorry, I'm on my iPad and haven't figured out how to embed.

YouTube video link

Yeah that accelerated plane is kinda creepy. Especially since it and one other plane disappeared off the radar as well.

Bilk22

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

Can we find out where this came from? How did this get on youtube to begin with if it was "missing"?

Whoever that is, this is his only video. But he is Malay apparently.

edit on 8-3-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

I was thinking the same. Are those flight displays stored or are they supposed to be real time? If the latter, how would they capture it? I mean they would have to have been recording it in real time as well. But I don't know anything about that site or the way it works.

There is a poster named waynos on this site that told me about flightradar24. Last night I was trying to figure out time zones to use the playback feature. I got confused with the date being the 7th or 8th. The time on flightradar24 is UTC, and the plane was said to have taken off at 00:25 on the 8th. So I entered the date 03/07/2014 and time 17:15 as start time for playback. I was able to locate MH-370 and it stopped moving at this image here. which would have been 01:10 local time.

reply to post by WordsAreAvenues


I hope someone that uses the program chimes in and embeds the video so we can be certain. It gave me the weird vibe.

OpinionatedB

Bilk22

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Bilk22

 

They seem to be stored, you can do playbacks of whatever location and time you would like from the appearance of this site, pretty cool really...(its the first time I ever saw this site!)

But they are saying:

" Flightradar24.com ‏@flightradar24 5h

Today's MH370 will probably disappear from FR24 soon, due to bad ADS-B coverage in parts of China."

Therefore, it is probable this kid saw this tweet and recorded it himself, you can do this if you have the right software on your computer.

edit on 8-3-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

So since you're the "Czar of Press and Communications"

where do you think the story about the flight performing an emergency landing in Nanming came from? It's actually all over the net and not just those two instances I posted above. I mean I can see some type of error picked up and reported by outlets getting it from a newswire, but this was pretty specific in nature. Places and names are associated with it. A few also report the flight was escorted by Chinese fighters as their transponder was not working so they were forced to land. Reporting all that and then it being "an error" just seems implausible.

edit on 8-3-2014 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)

Perhaps not as implausible as one might think.

First, Malaysia and the airline wanted to keep people calm until they knew more about what did happen - they had a vested interest in it actually. So they were the most likely to spew some disinformation out in order to assuage people's immediate fears and bide some time.

Second, journalists don't much do investigative reports anymore, they are copy-pasters these days, so once you throw out some disinfo, it is likely to be spewed on a bunch of sites and msm will eat it up, little work involved yet a good story.

So it all works hand in hand, keep people's hopes up until you find the actual truth, and word gets around.

The second journalists find out the info was false though, they have to delete it or they get a real bad name; someone looked into it deep enough to prove the info false and everyone chased tail to remove it.

edit on 8-3-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

That not only sounds rather simplistic it sounds like disinfo too LOL So you want to make the claim that the airline started the "rumor" and in such detail? Oh explain the airlines vested interest in doing this? Keeping people calm? Really? You want to go with that story?

By the way, most didn't 404 the story but posted a retraction. So you being the Czar of Press and Communications are you a copy/paster too?

I can't get it to embed!

reply to post by Mikeultra


Linky no worky

Mikeultra
I can't get it to embed!

edit on 8-3-2014 by Mikeultra because: (no reason given)

Just put the video ID in.

Mikeultra
I can't get it to embed!

edit on 8-3-2014 by Mikeultra because: (no reason given)

Here.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


That's why I'm pretty wary of it. If they had data that good they would have something by now. They were at the edge of radar coverage at the time, and this data seems a little too good for that range.

I just finished watching that Youtube video from above, and it ended at UTC 17:55. The person who recorded that simply stopped the playback tracking for dramatic effect. When I watched it last night it simply stopped moving at 18:10 UTC Local time 01:10

pheonix358
reply to post by MRuss

 

Hitting the water at speed is much the same as hitting the ground at speed, water does not compress.

If the aircraft came straight down from 35000, there would not be anything left to find on the surface. Heavy parts would instantly sink and lighter parts would disintegrate.

P

"there would not be anything left to find on the surface."

That is incorrect. The plane would break up and some of the passengers would float to the surface along with other items like luggage and the flotation devices that exist on every modern commercial airliner.

If the plane broke up at altitude, some pieces would float down gradually - not hit the water at full speed. Even if there was an explosion, some parts would be found floating.

The lack of any wreckage here is startling and bewildering.

reply to post by pheonix358


Kind of like the Word Trade Centers then....nothing found there bigger than a bread box.

I just think they'd find something that escaped annihilation---even a life vest or a seat cushion.

Ugh. Those poor people...What a way to go.

Prayers to their family members.

reply to post by Mikeultra


I see someone embedded it for us, but for future reference, as it took me a while to figure out- you copy everything past the = sign in the web address, not the "share this video".

I can't figure out how to get a web address from youtube on a useless iPad. Doesn't matter. Just wanted to try and help you for future ATS endeavors!

Sorry if this was posted already.

Passenger list:

www.malaysiaairlines.com...

Live updates from the Wall Street Journal:

stream.wsj.com...

pheonix358
reply to post by MRuss

 

Hitting the water at speed is much the same as hitting the ground at speed, water does not compress.

If the aircraft came straight down from 35000, there would not be anything left to find on the surface. Heavy parts would instantly sink and lighter parts would disintegrate.

P

I want to entirely disagree here.

Even if an airplane would disintegrate there would be PLENTY of debris which would not "disintegrate into infinitely small pieces" as you seem to suggest. There would be TONS of luggage, seats, flotation devices and a zillion of pieces which would not sink. The idea that a plane would disintegrate upon impact that there would literally nothing on the water is absurd/impossible.

What is ALSO possible (see AF 474) is that an aircraft can indeed descent, NOT break apart and basically sink intact to the bottom of the sea with only very little debris. If there was a situation similar to AF 474 and the aircraft actually had even less speed, or a scenario of an attempted but failed emergency landing on the water...its THINKABLE that the plane didn't take whatsoever damage and literally sunk in one piece.
At this point (IMO) we don't know why they didn't find any debris...whether the aircraft really sank or whether they simply just didn't find the debris location yet.

reply to post by Mikeultra


But did you see in your playback the plane nearby to the East that changed direction, disappeared from radar, came back and sped of about 3x faster? That's the weird part I'm curious about.