Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


The crazy one for me was the Lancastrian (Lancaster Bomber converted to passenger service) that crashed in the South American Andes in 1947 and wasn't found until the year 2000 - after it emerged from a melting glacier.

If this thread lasts 53 years, it is going to be thousands of pages if this pace keeps up.

How about the clarification of this aircraft being "Written Off" already?

shouldnt thay wait till they have deffinate proof one way or the other?

It seems that most attention is on the pilot because of his political views and the sim that was in his house, but has anyone considered the role the first officer may have played?

News reports indicate he was religious but not reckless. His family home was in Southern Kuala Lumpur and he was often seen going to mosque there, but he FB page for him says he:
Works at Malaysia Airlines
Studied at Malaysia Airlines Engineering Training Centre
Past: SKBTHO2
Lives in Mecca, Saudi Arabia
From Dubai, United Arab Emirates

Not sure I have the right Kpt Fariq Abd Hamid.

UKGuy1805
How about the clarification of this aircraft being "Written Off" already?

shouldnt thay wait till they have deffinate proof one way or the other?

edit on 16-3-2014 by UKGuy1805 because: just changed a few letters

The only thing known for certain is that it on the ground somewhere.

Whether it has been hijacked, blown up, stolen, had a mid-air collision, or mechanical failure and crashed is all still speculation.

UKGuy1805
How about the clarification of this aircraft being "Written Off" already?

shouldnt thay wait till they have deffinate proof one way or the other?

edit on 16-3-2014 by UKGuy1805 because: just changed a few letters

Just a guess but i doubt they would ever use the plane again.

reply to post by Myrtales Instinct


I was wondering about him pages ago. Everyone has been looking at the pax list for someone important. I was wondering if he may be the elephant in the room no one is seeing. The MSM did a good job of making him look like a idiot with the girls and smoking in cockpit then just dropped it after the damage was done.

It was however mentioned on a couple of occasions that he was from a wealthy family and that his father was highly connected to the political regime. He could be the "wanted" cargo as easily as any other cargo. Not saying he is by any means, but I think a closer look should be taken of him as well especially since they went all out on the third day to discredit him.

If the plane had been flying for 7 hours in an erratic manner before really disappearing, would the passengers have sensed something was wrong?

I mean 7 hours is a long time and the flight was supposed to take 6 to Beijing.

Wouldn't someone on that plane have tried calling or texting to the outside world? Some of these planes are equipped with wifi or at least some other way to communicate (in flight phone) with the world using a credit card (in first class?)

From Malaysian air website
www.malaysiaairlines.com...

EntertainmentCommunications and connectivity Your in-flight entertainment controller doubles as an air-to-ground phone. Make calls or send text messages to anywhere using your credit card. You can also call your friends on the same flight.

Did no one sense a problem and try to call?

Or perhaps they were killed when the plane reached 45,000 feet ?

ThePawnsTheory
reply to post by Leonidas

 

Inmarsat statement on Malaysia Airlines flight MH370
14 March 2014: Inmarsat has issued the following statement regarding Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Routine, automated signals were registered on the Inmarsat network from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 during its flight from Kuala Lumpur.

This information was provided to our partner SITA, which in turn has shared it with Malaysia Airlines.

For further information, please contact Malaysia Airlines.

www.malaysiaairlines.com...

Source: Inmarsat Website

"Routine, Automated Signals" From Missing Malaysia 777 Were Received By Satellite Network—Inmarsat Signals Detected During Missing Flight From Kuala Lumpur to Beijing—Inmarsat

The Wall Street Journal

So is that still just conjecture or is it a fact that a satellite continued to read the pings? The same article from WSJ (who have reported falsities about this story but at this point who hasn't?) also stated that it "transmitted pings for at least 5 hours after vanishing" but that was reported by "sources" so I will say that is still rumor.

I am just asking in case I missed something and this is not a fact as I had thought and read from reliable sources such as the Inmarsat website.

edit on 3/16/2014 by ThePawnsTheory because: Added info

They continue to expand the search area because they don't know what happened to the jet yet.

Speculating on how the plane went missing is fine. Guessing what happened and finding out later you were right is fine.

But making declarative statements about what happened to this flight as this point is conjecture.

There are a number of leads to follow. Many have been followed to their natural conclusion and found to be wrong. Most are still waiting to be resolved.

You don't know what happened to this flight, no matter how certain you may feel about it.

reply to post by onehuman


I agree. I'm sure authorities are working hard to figure it out and we should know soon enough. I just don't see the two working in tandem. One of them was under duress.

I'm at a loss for new ideas to consider anymore. And everyone's pretty much covered everything from logical -- crash, hijacking -- to highly unlikely -- aliens, etc. Stopping short of saying impossible, because at this point, nothing is. Even a passing unicorn's rainbow fart could have poofed it into oblivion.

It's been missing for 9 days now. Where the BLEEP is this freakin' plane??

Here is a new map someone made that could have gotten past tracking and also might explain the North South movement:



Sorry forgot to add the SOURCE

reply to post by Nyiah

Have you considered roving or rogue StarGates?
I heard we lost track of one... It could be on the move, and - no telling 'where' it will show next...

I still believe the passengers were somehow incapacitated it's the only way they could have done something like this, I suspect some sort of gas which wiped them all out unfortunately.

WanDash
reply to post by Nyiah

 

Have you considered roving or rogue StarGates?
I heard we lost track of one... It could be on the move, and - no telling 'where' it will show next...

I blame Apophis, the pompous ass he was. Or maybe Yu, his mind was going anyway, he could have pulled this off & forgotten he even did it. It's got to be one of the system lords either way.
Yup, not just a Trekkie, but a Gate fan, too :p

It really is driving me nuts, though. We're being drip-fed little bits of info, and they're barely that. That can mean, to me, one of two things: either they know where it is and are formulating a plan for reaching it/negotiating (crashed in very hostile territory or is being held there) or they have no dang clue at all. And it really could be either one there. I feel so bad for the families still waiting for answers.

Nyiah
I blame Apophis, the pompous ass he was. Or maybe Yu, his mind was going anyway, he could have pulled this off & forgotten he even did it. It's got to be one of the system lords either way.
Yup, not just a Trekkie, but a Gate fan, too :p

It really is driving me nuts, though. We're being drip-fed little bits of info, and they're barely that. That can mean, to me, one of two things: either they know where it is and are formulating a plan for reaching it/negotiating (crashed in very hostile territory or is being held there) or they have no dang clue at all. And it really could be either one there. I feel so bad for the families still waiting for answers.

I am a moron when it comes to these matters.
I try to imagining and justify any outcome that is in favor of those (innocents) that stand in peril.
You are totally correct - drip-fed...It's here - No - it's there - Wait - it could be over here...& there.
Pacification (titillation, distraction?) at its zenith.
Regards.

civpop
I still believe the passengers were somehow incapacitated it's the only way they could have done something like this, I suspect some sort of gas which wiped them all out unfortunately.

It could have been done with deception, possibly.

Speculation on how to gain passenger co-operation:

If an announcement from the cockpit said that they had to land as a result of a medical emergency on board or a non-emergency mechanical issue, the passengers would have no reason to rise up and revolt.

Only when they were escorted off the plane would they be aware of any "plot"

PhotonEffect
If the plane had been flying for 7 hours in an erratic manner before really disappearing, would the passengers have sensed something was wrong?

I mean 7 hours is a long time and the flight was supposed to take 6 to Beijing.

Wouldn't someone on that plane have tried calling or texting to the outside world? Some of these planes are equipped with wifi or at least some other way to communicate (in flight phone) with the world using a credit card (in first class?)

From Malaysian air website
www.malaysiaairlines.com...

EntertainmentCommunications and connectivity Your in-flight entertainment controller doubles as an air-to-ground phone. Make calls or send text messages to anywhere using your credit card. You can also call your friends on the same flight.

Did no one sense a problem and try to call?

Or perhaps they were killed when the plane reached 45,000 feet ?

The INMARSAT satellite returns lasted only 5 hours so perhaps someone can enlight us FACTUALLY where the claim of 7 hours comes from and what the evidence is?

Simple physics that a jet engine is most efficient at or above 30,000ft

This aircraft climbed to 45,000ft consuming more fuel than usual for a trip to Beijing. Flying to 45,000ft is like grinding your car up a long hill in first gear.

Then it dropped to 23,000ft where fuel efficiency was reduced therefore range was decreased at least 15%



Wikipedia

So what is the FACTUAL basis for a new claim about 7 hours flying time?

onehuman
Here is a new map someone made that could have gotten past tracking and also might explain the North South movement:

Sorry forgot to add the SOURCE

edit on 3/16/14 by onehuman because: ADDED SOURCE

MH370 was measured at 45,000ft by radar in Kuala Lumpur on a tower 130m high. The only way you can deduce this from a primary radar return is if the radar plots a target 497nm away.

So first of all 497nm places the aircraft off the Mekong Delta, Vietnam about 45nm south of VungTau, so if Malaysian radar measured this aircraft at that altitude then the Malaysian Government is lying about the aircraft's track across the Gulf of Thailand.

sy.gunson
So what is the FACTUAL basis for a new claim about 7 hours flying time?

If you read the sources carefully they say 7.5 hours to the last ping which doesn't necessarily mean 7.5 hours of flight. The last ping could have been received with the plane sitting on the ground (not flying), if it had the electrical system on.

edition.cnn.com...

Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. on March 8. The last satellite communication from the plane occurred at 8:11 a.m., Najib said, well past the scheduled arrival time in Beijing.

That's 7.5 hours but we can't assume it's all flying time.

Also we don't know the altitude for the full 7.5 hours, only for the first 2 and maybe part of the third hour, not much after that AFAIK.

Reddit finds wreckage?

Well this is interesting...