Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

qd22vcc
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What we dont know though is, were there any other "unidentified" planes on the radar in the area that would line up a possible destination after a possible refuel?

I'm not sure I follow...sorry. You mean they had an escort plane of some sort?

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Dont think it is pressurised to thet hight? the maximum i have seen on radar for commercial planes is 41-42.000ft so at a guess i would say not above 50K

UKGuy1805
reply to post by IQPREREQUISITE

 

This would be under 1000feet and possibly 150-200knots so i would say quite difficult even for an experienced pilot

And the terrain is from 0 to 4000 feet hills and slopes and by night. Yeah a God can do that maybe.

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No, sorry, will try to clarify...if the plane refueled on an island, then took off again...would they read the same signal elsewhere or...when the mh370 flight path stops another one begins but listed unidentified?


Not sure if that makes sense lol...

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Your right, I missed it the first time. Checked flightradar again and saw the drop. 35000 feet 25 degrees to 0 feet 40 degrees. Has any person in authority officially commented on that detail?

By the way, I dunno if this is significant. Just noticed the plane's VERTICAL SPEED drop to negative twice after it leveled off at 35000 feet. Is that something?

Thank You for your reply UK Guy.
This here page says it ranges from 0 to 50,000ft.
www.meriweather.com...#

I shouldn't think, but I can't seem to help myself. What if after 50,000ft it displays 0 because it cant deal with 51,000ft.

puntito

UKGuy1805
reply to post by IQPREREQUISITE

 

This would be under 1000feet and possibly 150-200knots so i would say quite difficult even for an experienced pilot

And the terrain is from 0 to 4000 feet hills and slopes and by night. Yeah a God can do that maybe.

Good point! Let's add another factor to the jumbo jet flying under the radar theory.

Here's the challenge.

1. Take a jumbo jet.
2. Fly it approx. under 1000 feet at 200 knots.
3. Sustain that over a long distance.
4. With a gun to your head.
4. At night.

reply to post by qd22vcc


Each planes electronics have there unique registration code/identification code built in that shows up on sites like FR24 and radar, the flight code can be changed at will to any flight number but i think the a/c construction identification code is fixed

Its called a Hex code...

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There were initial reports of the plane landing in China with a military escort...this was one of the very first reports...who knows anymore...I won't be satisfied until CVR/FDR recovery...

Here is a nice picture i would like to share with you all concerning this matter. Just something different for a second.
Indian sand artist Sudarshan Patnaik has created a sand-art sculpture on a beach in Puri in eastern India.

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Is the a/c construction identification code tied into the radar ping showing more hours travelled?

qd22vcc
reply to post by IQPREREQUISITE

 

No, sorry, will try to clarify...if the plane refueled on an island, then took off again...would they read the same signal elsewhere or...when the mh370 flight path stops another one begins but listed unidentified?


Not sure if that makes sense lol...

Now I get it hehe...I wouldn't even dare to comment. I know little when it comes to technicalities in aviation. Perhaps a few well versed members can answer that.

But your statement reminded me of another point in the case. If I recall correctly, MH370 at the time of it's "disapperance" still had 7.5 hours of fuel remaining. Please anyone correct me on this if I'm mistaken.

So if the plane had that much fuel remaining? Why on earth would it need to refuel on any remote island or airport inside it's 5000 plus km range?

Just wondering.

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You seem to know your stuff, IF it was the pilot himself, and he was exercising really hard, no gun to the head, what chances would you give this endeavour, is there a way to fly around the radar stations? Maybe on a planed out route going low where possible and everything worked out to the last detail, is it possible, at all?

Cosmocow
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There were initial reports of the plane landing in China with a military escort...this was one of the very first reports...who knows anymore...I won't be satisfied until CVR/FDR recovery...

Yeah, I got that too. Nanning was it? Was later called a hoax or unverified.

But yeah...who knows anymore. All the info being thrown around...

Ninipe
reply to post by IQPREREQUISITE

 

You seem to know your stuff, IF it was the pilot himself, and he was exercising really hard, no gun to the head, what chances would you give this endeavour, is there a way to fly around the radar stations? Maybe on a planed out route going low where possible and everything worked out to the last detail, is it possible, at all?

You know what?

IT IS POSSIBLE because...

1. The guy has 18000 plus hours of flying under his belt.
2. He is a hardcore nerd. He built a freakin' flight simulator at home.

IT IS IMPROBABLE because...

1. He is a nice guy. Based on internet sources.
2. He is loyal to Malaysian Airlines.
3. He promised his sister/wife (I forget) that he would return.

Although if you can put forth a good motive...I'll come on board. Coz 50% of solving this thing is motive.

That's just my opinion.

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I could say something uninspired, like money. I really just want to know what happened and it is driving me nuts! Why cant they just find that stupid thing already?

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The radar return or ping will show the flight code or a/c call sign, but the transponder signal will show varied information including latititude/longtitude, hight from and to, flight number, hex code (like a cars chassis number) and call sign/registration.
This information is very usefull for aviation number collectors (aircraft spotters)

Ninipe
reply to post by IQPREREQUISITE

 

I could say something uninspired, like money. I really just want to know what happened and it is driving me nuts! Why cant they just find that stupid thing already?

I know a motive that could break any principled man. Threaten to harm his family/loved ones. Any man would break...that I guarantee.

But we don't have that evidence in this case so it is my opinion that...

1. The captain is innocent.
2. It requires a God Mode level skill to pilot a 777 under radar.
3. The flight did not refuel within the 777s capable range.
4. Last known maneuver (according to FR24) is that it turned right.

I feel like the answer is under our noses but bc theres so much speculation and so much diff information put out there in the news that maybe were missing the obvious thing?

The simulator he had at home is useless for practising maneuver skills. Flight simming is a hobby for many pilots. The idea that he used his home flight simulator to practise unusual maneuvers to hijack the plane isn't feasible. You might know what all the buttons do and when to use them and then moving straight to try to hand fly the actual thing won't work.

Practical skills are required which can be obtained from hours of experience as a pilot in command in a real jet or a full motion flight simulator. As said earlier, this captain had thousands of hours of pilot in command (PIC) experience and would therefore be useless for him to use a 777 simulator addon that was released in 2005 for Microsoft flight simulator 2004. I've tried this product and its fly-by-wire is flawed and not realistic. The PMDG 777 is the closest thing to the real aircraft that can be used for Microsoft flight simulator.