Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

Leonidas
My speculation:

A systems fault that lead to hypoxia similar to the Helios Airways Flight 522 incident could explain the disappearance of Flight 370.

The flight crew attempt a change of direction either back to KL or another airport, which would explain the redirection of the flight. Autopilot carries the plane along what ever heading the plane is on until the plane runs out of fuel and drops from the sky.

Given the range of a flight fueled for a trip from KL to Beijing , the jet could be almost anywhere in Southeast Asia or the Indian Ocean.

The pressurization failure may have been part of a larger cascade failure of other systems that would explain other electrical failures in the cockpit.

Helios Airways Flight 552: August 14, 2005

As mentioned already on this thread, AirFrance447 disappeared over the Atlantic and no floating debris was spotted for a week.

AirFrance447: June, 2009

As for phones ringing: I travel internationally often, all over the globe. Often when you call someone internationally, the phone will ring and ring and not be answered even when the phone is not turned on or in range. A very common phenomenon. It is the system that is "ringing", not the phone.

While what I have posted fits the facts we know, it is ONLY speculation on my part. I wish more people would clarify their theories with the fact they are speculating.

I know that is a boring theory, or guess, but I think it is possible.

I am really into the Helios kinda theory as well. But, if we take the oil ring worker's account seriously, why was the plane seen going down in flames? I am really puzzled by this possible account.

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Not a boring theory at all.

In fact, the non-CT/more reasonable part of my mind was thinking the same with respects to certain factors like:

- the possible antenna/engine problems with like models of said plane (though few and far between incidents)
- abrupt, quick drop in altitude of given plane
- report from other pilot that had last contact with pilot of plane in question •implies• that pilot could have been suffering from lack of oxygen/consciousness

All of the above are based on speculation, but I like your summation of possibilities.

My questions are more along the lines of whether the autopilot was enacted, causing the mixed reports about the craft's change in pattern, credibility of eyewitnesses' reports and whatnot.?

I read somewhere, here I think, that china actually had these sat. pics last night and where on their way there? If so, I would think with the time there now being 10:00am(?) they should be there by now yes? We should know something soon I hope. At least some sort of aviation should be over the site anyway by now

A small update for everyone still there (I really appreciate when other do so)

The Malaysian air force is on the way to the site of the debris spotted by Chinese satellites, reports CNN.

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about damn time. I really hope it is the plane. If not then we're all screwed...

Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas

Bilk22So why the delay? It takes time to plant evidence and make it look real

Thank you for finding the link and re-posting it.

Why would China want to plant evidence? There are recent precedents of it taking several days to find downed aircraft in the ocean.

Do you believe that the Chinese have wreckage, or the intact aircraft?

What are they keeping from us?

(My thoughts on the Chinese is that they are are slow to share information until they fully understand how it will be interpreted, but not that they are creating false evidence. Just my opinion.)

Well you know my theory so no need to rehash it. However the reason for planting the evidence would be to satisfy all parties concerned so they can move on. It's the original plane of course. It just takes time to implement some way of destroying it and having the results look like a believable failure to the layperson. Oh and getting it from Nanming to that part of the South China Sea while everyone was screwing around in the Malacca Strait takes time too

edit on 05925Wednesdayk22 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)

Sorry, I don't know the main points of your theory, but I can gather most of it from this post I think.

Do you think the plane willingly landed Nanming? Or was it escorted there and forced to land?

For 370 to land there I can only think of four possibilities off the top of my head:

1. The pilots willingly landed there as part of a plot.
2. They were escorted there by belligerent fighters.
3. They performed an emergency landing there.
4. Hijackers.

But what of the passengers? In your theory are the passengers and crew alive in Nanming? Or have all or some of them been executed?

Why would the Chinese want to do this? What are they after in that scenario? How do you hide a jumbo jet that the entire world is looking for?

If I have mis-stated your theory, I apologize. Please correct me. Your idea is much more interesting than mine.

edit on 12-3-2014 by Leonidas because: I cant count

Not sure whether the pilots were willing participants or not. It really doesn't matter at this point now, does it? The two on board with the false identities could have coerced them. With some outside assistance on the ground before it departed, they could have had weapons overlooked or smuggled inside the craft for them to obtain after takeoff.

The initial reports were that it was escorted to Nanming by Chinese fighters. Odd story to come out of left field. No? I mean why pick that location for an odd story that was fabricated? Strangely enough, Freescales presence in China is a location not far from Nanming. Nanming is a technology hub. It's much farther south than Beijing, so if you were going to divert a flight in a circuitous path, then it would need to be a reachable destination and probably have military in the area capable of handling the logistics of hiding the plane and passengers and then capable of destroying it and getting it to a location within a reasonable distance of the search area.

Why did this occur? Well maybe some of the Chinese military went rogue. They think the central government is not handling the west properly. The Freescale people could have technology to change the game for them. They were already heading to China. All that needed to happen was for them to disappear. How could they accomplish that if they arrived safely in Beijing?

Ah it's just my theory.

Anyone else starting to view the TV series The Event as more of a documentary than a serial fiction? LOL

judydawg
If in fact this plan did crash in China, would it show up on the earthquake map. I have no idea how to read the earthquake maps. I looked but didn't see anything close.
For someone smarter then me.

I doubt it would show up as much on an Earthquake map. That region of the world gets small earthquakes all the time (hundreds per day if you go small enough in magnitude) so it would get lost in the natural earthquake data. Larger Earthquakes of course are more rare, but the impact of even an intact plane wouldn't register that large, however it might register on infrasound detectors used for nuclear missile launch detection, and infrasound records are being investigated. You probably won't have access to them though.

watchesfromwall
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The CT part of my mind views your theory as quite viable.

What if all of those engineers/technicians from Freescale were •not• on board that flight?

Would your theory totally change?

Oh that would make it much more interesting then, wouldn't it? Sort of a trap set to catch a mouse? Interesting Guess we'll have to keep tuning in to see what happens next.

Maybe we will see something similar a few years from now

As a family member or friend, I would find it hard to give up hope that they are alive somewhere.

False hope is still a form of hope. They must be riding a horrible roller-coaster of emotion, knowing the worst is probably true, but grasping onto any information that might mean that their wife or girlfriend or child or parent is alive out there somewhere.

Wow. Any chance those images are the same ones someone posted from their tomnod searches, can't find the link but a guy found the wreckage of a plane apparently?

I'll see if I can fine the link.

Well, after 114 pages, I think it will be interesting to see whose instincts were right.

I just saw Robert Ballard on television (scientist and oceanographer who found the Titanic) and I really liked what he had to say. I share his instincts and ideas about the latest news: Here were his observations:

1) This could very well be the wreckage that the Chinese have spotted. He said he wouldn't be surprised if it was.

2) He acknowledged how confusing the events were yesterday with the plane turning, etc. "But now the dots are starting to connect."

"If you plot where they say the plane went down....if you plot where the Chinese images are coming from and Mike McKay's images from that oil platform...if you plot that, they are all converging on a spot.

3) He mentions a previous case when a fighter plane went down the wreckage was directly beneath an oil slick. (Confused by this since they said the oil slick wasn't jet fuel...but he seems to think something is up with their testing of it perhaps. weird.)

4. He thinks we're getting a box that they can start to search..

5. He thinks the debris should be to the east and south of the impact site based on currents this time of year. AND THIS IS WHERE THE CHINESE IMAGES ARE COMING FROM.

6. He also says he thinks they have a lot better images than the one they are showing us on TV. Duh. And that those images might be showing conclusively that it's wreckage.

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en.interfax.com.ua...

If what you say is close to correct, then maybe someone has upset the apple cart - so to speak

This is what I was referring to before


Source



A guy off tomnod tagged this area and picture, but no way to tell the location wonder if it's same as the Chinese are pointing to.

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Nice find

Almost looks like the craft is fully intact. Maybe there are still living?

Yet, the official Chinese update site fails to mention any such discoveries? I will go check again even though there is a ban in my house due to potential problems (computer corruption/hacking)

Used my stealthy ability to avoid the man and nab this:

news.xinhuanet.com...

Actually, a pretty comprehensive timeline and compilation if true. At least they are acknowledging the satellite images.

ETA: ru-roh...US was warned about cracking problem; US provides additional information. :-/

roadgravel
Maybe we will see something similar a few years from now

LOL!

So spot on albeit the wrong language.

DominusXV
reply to post by kanbanozaurus

 

about damn time. I really hope it is the plane. If not then we're all screwed...

You really hope that the plane crashed and everyone is most likely dead? How nice of you..

And why would that make us all screwed? It would appear that the ones who are screwed are the passengers who were aboard the flight and their families and friends.

Its seems the importance of the passengers and there safty have taken a back seat when being reported by media and news shows. News shows that you can now win Cash prizes for watching there a show.. It seems reporters have been told to report the importance of 2 passengers with 2 stolen passports that could have been terrorist and over powered over 200 staff and passengers THIS WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.. But there is truth in fact you be the judge how much.. Approximately 20 Freescale employers where on this flight.. Freescale is the largest manufacturers of micro chip computers to the degree that they have claimed to have the worlds smallest micro computer chip in mm size that could be swallowed or injected into the blood stream.. Just so we are on the same page the reported focus is on stolen passports and how easy it is to be obtained illegally and the big hole it has coursed in in airport security.. So ill take a stab in the dark and say the next agenda would be to have us implanted with the RFID micro chip.. For this technology that would track your every move know everything about you track your finaces and if they need to turn you off by a flick of a switch for this type of control and power would you steal a plain.. Just Saying

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While I am not the individual you quoted, I believe what they were trying to convey is that they'd be glad if the whereabouts of the plane were finally determined. This would preclude the plane from being used as a weapon at some point in the future if it did get hijacked (why I would assume the poster is saying we're screwed if it's not the plane).

While one should keep hope alive, I believe that one should also be a realist in a situation such as this. The people on the plane are likely not still alive. If they were, they'd either be ransomed, on a life raft with an emergency locator signaling, or on land with an emergency locator signaling. There is nothing to indicate at this point that any of the above are true or occurring. Chances are, the plane is in the South China Sea and we're in a recovery phase more than a rescue phase at this point.

Back on this thread from the other one.

The Malaysian airline has just announced it will retire the MH370/MH371 codes.

As a “mark of respect” to the missing passengers and crew Malaysia Airlines is retiring the flight codes MH370 and MH371 for the Kuala Lumpur- Beijing and return route.

“Our thoughts and prayers remain with the families of our colleagues and passengers of MH 370,” said the airline in a statement.

www.malaysiaairlines.com...

The images looking doctored have also been addressed:

Even slightly suspicious incidents are adding to the huge uncertainty around the case of this missing plane.

Photos circulating of the two Iranian passengers who were traveling on stolen passports appear to have been doctored, giving the two men the same identical pair of legs.

Malaysia police told AFP “it was not done with malice or to mislead,” and one photo was simply placed over the other when they were photocopied.

www.washingtonpost.com...