US Army Vet cuts down Mexican Flag flying over American Flag

whyamIhere
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Slayer...

What I find ironic is the people criticizing us the most for our American symbolism.

Is the very people who are part of a Monarchy.

Not much symbolism there.

Sheesh

edit on 11-3-2014 by whyamIhere because: (no reason given)

But there are still some of your fellow Americans who think its kind of silly. Like myself.

That flag is the flag of my government. Why would I want to honor a symbol of their tyranny? It may have at one time had other meaning....but We The People killed that sentiment when we quit holding our government accountable. We allowed it to be what it is now.

Nope. I don't revere a flag that is symbolic of 3 million imprisoned citizens, and a military budget that exceeds the combined budgets of the rest of the world.

reply to post by crazyewok


As you probably know America has a long history of Civil disobedience.

Brown v Board of Education comes to mind.

We tend to excuse people that attempt to right a wrong.

As you said earlier....Two wrongs don't make it right.

Definitely two wrongs here.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I see your point...

You look at the Flag as representing our government.

I see the Flag as representing the Fallen.

I guess the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If I thought of the Flag as representing this current government.

Like in the other thread. I would be cleaning the yard with it.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Never denied that.

Maybe not exactly, but, to say:

I never argued what he did was rational nor legal

Seems a little disingenuous

Your initial posts in this thread unequivocally supported what he did and the way he did it

Just interesting - what exactly is your position then?

kaylaluv
If it's something that's against the law, then inform the law and let them deal with it.

Also

Let's play THAT scenario out, The next thing you know there would be a Youtube video of Police enforcing the LAW quickly followed by copious amounts of Bravo Sierra about the 'Nazi Police State' enforcing some stupid patriotic flag ordinance.

Usually followed by more rhetoric about how wrong, stupid, immoral, prideful it is, so on and so forth...

whyamIhere
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

I see your point...

You look at the Flag as representing our government.

I see the Flag as representing the Fallen.

I guess the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If I thought of the Flag as representing this current government.

Like in the other thread. I would be cleaning the yard with it.

Like i tell my son: "You don't have to agree with the war to honor the efforts of men who, as complete strangers, love you enough to be willing to die for you."

SLAYER69
You know...

The more I think of this and not just about the video but also the replies and arguments the more I find it quite humorous. For those few who in this thread that very specifically bashed Americans for having irrational 'Flag Pride' I'll ask you this, what was the Mexican doing in this context?

Proudly displaying their flag.



Ironic

edit on 11-3-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

I don't think flag pride was the sole issue, that came about after it became apparent how insane many Americans were about the flag.

The issue was that the Vet destroyed someone else's property and threatened violence because of a flag.

The point that you and many other posters keep ignoring and missing, is that this Mexican was flying BOTH flags, proud of both his nations.
he wasn't picking up poop with the US flag, not using it as dish cloth...actually wasn't disrespecting it at all.

He was flying it.


The issue isn't about whether people want to fly flags or "flag pride" but more about a man who commits crimes and acts in a fascist manner, because things aren't done the way HE would like.

whyamIhere
reply to post by crazyewok

 

As you probably know America has a long history of Civil disobedience.

Brown v Board of Education comes to mind.

We tend to excuse people that attempt to right a wrong.

As you said earlier....Two wrongs don't make it right.

Definitely two wrongs here.

There are different levels of wrong. To slap someone just because they said something you didn't like is wrong. To kill someone because they slapped you is also wrong. Which action is MORE wrong? To put a Mexican flag above a U.S. flag on your own property in America might be wrong, but to trespass and damage someone else's property is a higher level of wrong.

reply to post by kaylaluv


if i own the flag, and i own the property, i feel I should do whatever i feel like doing with said flag on said property.

blupblup
The point that you and many other posters keep ignoring and missing, is that this Mexican was flying BOTH flags, proud of both his nations.

And...

The point YOU'RE missing is that I've already said that they should just follow proper flag etiquette several times in this thread. Which means American Flag above the Mexican flag.

BOTH would be flown.

SLAYER69

And...

The point YOU'RE missing is that I've already said that they should just follow proper flag etiquette several times in this thread. Which means American Flag above the Mexican flag.

BOTH would be flown.

Flag etiquette is just that.... etiquette.
Not law... not, fly it or I'll rip it down... fly it or I'll stab you.

Freedom of expression and speech goes before any "etiquette" you care to mention.
The land of the free... unless we don't agree with it, then we'll stab or threaten you with our guns.

Well done.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

if i own the flag, and i own the property, i feel I should do whatever i feel like doing with said flag on said property.

It's not complicated - is it?

:-)

Had it been a Swiss flag or a French flag above the U.S. flag, I doubt this thread would even exist

Just a question here.

If the Mexican was armed and killed the vet (an armed intruder on his property) would you agree it was his right to kill the vet?.

Genuine question btw.

blupblup
The land of the free... unless we don't agree with it, then we'll stab or threaten you with our guns.

Well done.

As always, putting words in my mouth

Well done indeed.

SLAYER69


As always, putting words in my mouth

Well done indeed.

I didn't say YOU said that... I'm saying the Vet is saying that, and those coming in and "Wooo Haaa" ing are saying that.
They're saying "forget the rule of law, just commit criminal acts if you don't like something"

reply to post by whyamIhere

Definitely two wrongs here

One wrong is philosophical and passive - and a matter of opinion

The other was both illegal and malicious

reply to post by boymonkey74


Honestly, we are ignoring what is really going on here.



This is what is going on. We have been invaded by millions.

Please don't ignore the context and what is really going on here.

The guy was warned about his Flag. Why else is he standing in front of his store?

SLAYER69

As always, putting words in my mouth

Well done indeed.

Also if you want to be picky about it.

SLAYER69

Telling an American it's wrong to defend their flag's honor in their own country because it's not pop culture politically correct.

Unacceptable...

But yes I know... It's just a picture right? You didn't explicitly SAY that people should shoot people over it, nor did you imply it... you just happened to post a lovely picture of Walter holding his gun...

reply to post by whyamIhere


Or you could just answer the question...

boymonkey74
Just a question here.

If the Mexican was armed and killed the vet (an armed intruder on his property) would you agree it was his right to kill the vet?.

Genuine question btw.

laws are very different for armed intrusion and trespass.
you just cannot shoot someone on your propriety armed or not.

he would have to show that the man intend him bodily harm, before he shot him