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US Army Vet cuts down Mexican Flag flying over American Flag

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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:42 AM
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Well, we can't have them telling us our forefathers stole this country from them now, can we?.

Especially because of the fact it is true, can't remember?, read your history books.

In the last 100 years, nobody has fought for that flag either BTW, they fought to free up resources for the corporations which have taken over this country, to steal from the country that lost the war, the debtor nation.


Quotation: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." T. Jefferson.

Same Old #, Different Day.

....same old ado about nothing....

Arguing about pieces of linen flapping in the wind while we slowly become destitute and homeless, "The New American Way"............................................................................................................................................[editb y]edit on 8-3-2014 by MyHappyDogShiner because: vat




posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:48 AM
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alldaylong

hounddoghowlie

alldaylong
reply to post by whyamIhere
 


The U.S. flag design is influenced by the family coat of arms of George Washington's English ancestors.
I thought Americans were happy to cut all ties with England, so why are they getting so upset about a flag based on English nobility ?


where did you get that, do you mean that the idea first came about from a play in 1876. which there is no reason to think that play was historically accurate just about a hundred years after the fact.




The idea that it inspired the design of the American flag dates to the celebratory and patriotic climate of the year 1876, which saw the publication of Washington: A Drama in Five Acts, a drama in verse by the popular English poet Martin Farquhar Tupper. In it, Benjamin Franklin proclaims that the design of the Stars and Stripes was based on the coat of arms of George Washington. "We, and not he—it was unknown to him," Franklin says, "took up his coat of arms, and multiplied and magnified it every way to this, our glorious national banner." The play was widely performed, and its message resonated with the American public. The story was repeated many times, including regularly in the popular children's magazine St. Nicholas.
Coat of arms of George Washington





The origin of the stars and stripes design is inadequately documented. The apocryphal story credits Betsy Ross for sewing the first flag from a pencil sketch handed to her by George Washington. No evidence for this exists; indeed, nearly a century had passed before Ross' grandson, William Canby, first publicly suggested it.[71] Another woman, Rebecca Young, has also been credited as having made the first flag by later generations of her family. Young's daughter was Mary Pickersgill, who made the Star Spangled Banner Flag.[72][73] According to rumor, the Washington family coat of arms, shown in a 15th-century window of Selby Abbey, was the origin of the stars and stripes.[74]
Flag of the United States





It is clear that Francis Hopkinson of New Jersey, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, designed the 1777 flag[75] while he was the Chairman of the Continental Navy Board's Middle Department, sometime between his appointment to that position in November 1776 and the time that the flag resolution was adopted in June 1777. This contradicts the Betsy Ross legend, which suggests that she sewed the first Stars and Stripes flag by request of the government in the Spring of 1776.[76][77] Hopkinson was the only person to have made such a claim during his own lifetime, when he sent a bill to Congress for his work. He asked for a "Quarter Cask of the Public Wine" as payment initially. The payment was not made, however, because it was determined he had already received a salary as a member of Congress, and he was not the only person to have contributed to the design.[78]
Flag of the United States

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Is there anything in this Coat Of Arms look familiar?

en.wikipedia.org...



it plain to see that you didn't read my post or you would have seen that my first quote comes from that page.and did you not read the rest of the post. that just goes to show the reading and comprehensions skills used here.

also there is this.






At the time of the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress would not legally adopt flags with "stars, white in a blue field" for another year. The flag contemporaneously known as "the Continental Colors" has historically been referred to as the first national flag.[60]

The Continental Navy raised the Colors as the ensign of the fledgling nation in the American War for Independence—likely with the expedient of transforming their previous British red ensigns by adding white stripes—and would use this flag until 1777, when it would form the basis for the subsequent de jure designs.[60][61]
Flag of the United States


now that looks more familiar


then read about they guy that billed congress for it.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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The only flag anyone should be flying in this country is

The

DONT TREAD ON ME.

Flag.

It is one thing to be proud of this country, and it's symbols, but anyone paying attention to current events is this country is not worth the admiration so many people have for it.

WE have become the very things men, and women have fought, and died protecting this country from.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

What a country!



This rant sums it up pretty well. I agree that the state of this country is disheartening.

But that old glory still gives me chills now and again.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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Yeah....

A satellite of Britain which uses the same monetary model, legal model in many respects, and even foreign policy in most respects as Britain.

Some say we didn't really win the revolutionary war, Britain just allowed us to think we did for a time until those who fought against them passed away, and the memories of those who witnessed it died with them.

I am beginning to think this is closer to the truth than I believed it was before.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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The American of today, in fact, probably enjoys less personal liberty than any other man of Christendom, and even his political liberty is fast succumbing to the new dogma that certain theories of government are virtuous and lawful, and others abhorrent and felonious. Laws limiting the radius of his free activity multiply year by year: It is now practically impossible for him to exhibit anything describable as genuine individuality, either in action or in thought, without running afoul of some harsh and unintelligible penalty. It would surprise no impartial observer if the motto “In God we trust” were one day expunged from the coins of the republic by the Junkers at Washington, and the far more appropriate word, “verboten,” substituted. Nor would it astound any save the most romantic if, at the same time, the goddess of liberty were taken off the silver dollars to make room for a bas-relief of a policeman in a spiked helmet. Moreover, this gradual (and, of late, rapidly progressive) decay of freedom goes almost without challenge; the American has grown so accustomed to the denial of his constitutional rights and to the minute regulation of his conduct by swarms of spies, letter-openers, informers and agents provocateurs that he no longer makes any serious protest. The American Credo: A Contribution toward the Interpretation of the National Mind (1920)


en.wikiquote.org...

And this sums it up rather succinctly for me.
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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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In order for something to be stolen, it must first be owned. Since most indians didnt believe in the idea of ownership of the land, your contention is simply wrong.

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo also negates your contention that the land was stolen from mexicans.


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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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We ALL should be like this vet!.. he makes me proud... yes this is America, but that was spitting in the face of REAL Americans... You love mexico SOOO much?? Well get your ass back there right now! F mexico



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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Both were wrong in this story.

It is highly disrespectful to fly another flag above the american in this country. bordering on treasonous. A person would not do that if they were not trying to get attention, and im glad someone stepped up and did something.

That said, it is not okay to destroy someone elses property. Whether you are a veteran or not. You do not have the right, and the person that did so should face the consequences.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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From your link:

Laws limiting the radius of his free activity multiply year by year: It is now practically impossible for him to exhibit anything describable as genuine individuality, either in action or in thought, without running afoul of some harsh and unintelligible penalty. It would surprise no impartial observer if the motto “In God we trust” were one day expunged from the coins of the republic by the Junkers at Washington, and the far more appropriate word, “verboten,” substituted.

So, does this mean you support the Mexican owner's right to free speech? Or the veteran gentleman's right to violate his right to free speech?

For anyone interested in reality:

The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq). This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with it and the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.[1] This etiquette is as applied within U.S. jurisdiction. In other countries and places, local etiquette applies.

As someone posted in this thread just a bit ago - part of the beauty of this country (as symbolized by our flag) is that we have the right to disagree - and speak our mind

But, that doesn't protect criminal behavior - or vigilante justice. The man used a knife to damage private property then stole that property. We either support freedom of speech or we don't. We can't arrange the laws to suit our needs one minute then pretend they don't exist the next



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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hounddoghowlie

alldaylong

hounddoghowlie

alldaylong
reply to post by whyamIhere
 


The U.S. flag design is influenced by the family coat of arms of George Washington's English ancestors.
I thought Americans were happy to cut all ties with England, so why are they getting so upset about a flag based on English nobility ?


where did you get that, do you mean that the idea first came about from a play in 1876. which there is no reason to think that play was historically accurate just about a hundred years after the fact.




The idea that it inspired the design of the American flag dates to the celebratory and patriotic climate of the year 1876, which saw the publication of Washington: A Drama in Five Acts, a drama in verse by the popular English poet Martin Farquhar Tupper. In it, Benjamin Franklin proclaims that the design of the Stars and Stripes was based on the coat of arms of George Washington. "We, and not he—it was unknown to him," Franklin says, "took up his coat of arms, and multiplied and magnified it every way to this, our glorious national banner." The play was widely performed, and its message resonated with the American public. The story was repeated many times, including regularly in the popular children's magazine St. Nicholas.
Coat of arms of George Washington





The origin of the stars and stripes design is inadequately documented. The apocryphal story credits Betsy Ross for sewing the first flag from a pencil sketch handed to her by George Washington. No evidence for this exists; indeed, nearly a century had passed before Ross' grandson, William Canby, first publicly suggested it.[71] Another woman, Rebecca Young, has also been credited as having made the first flag by later generations of her family. Young's daughter was Mary Pickersgill, who made the Star Spangled Banner Flag.[72][73] According to rumor, the Washington family coat of arms, shown in a 15th-century window of Selby Abbey, was the origin of the stars and stripes.[74]
Flag of the United States





It is clear that Francis Hopkinson of New Jersey, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, designed the 1777 flag[75] while he was the Chairman of the Continental Navy Board's Middle Department, sometime between his appointment to that position in November 1776 and the time that the flag resolution was adopted in June 1777. This contradicts the Betsy Ross legend, which suggests that she sewed the first Stars and Stripes flag by request of the government in the Spring of 1776.[76][77] Hopkinson was the only person to have made such a claim during his own lifetime, when he sent a bill to Congress for his work. He asked for a "Quarter Cask of the Public Wine" as payment initially. The payment was not made, however, because it was determined he had already received a salary as a member of Congress, and he was not the only person to have contributed to the design.[78]
Flag of the United States

edit on 8-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)



Is there anything in this Coat Of Arms look familiar?

en.wikipedia.org...



it plain to see that you didn't read my post or you would have seen that my first quote comes from that page.and did you not read the rest of the post. that just goes to show the reading and comprehensions skills used here.

also there is this.






At the time of the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress would not legally adopt flags with "stars, white in a blue field" for another year. The flag contemporaneously known as "the Continental Colors" has historically been referred to as the first national flag.[60]

The Continental Navy raised the Colors as the ensign of the fledgling nation in the American War for Independence—likely with the expedient of transforming their previous British red ensigns by adding white stripes—and would use this flag until 1777, when it would form the basis for the subsequent de jure designs.[60][61]
Flag of the United States


now that looks more familiar


then read about they guy that billed congress for it.



Does The U.S. flag incorporate stars? Answer:- Yes.

Does The U.S. flag incorporate stripes? Answer:- Yes

Does Washington's Coat Of Arms incorporate Stars? Answer:- Yes

Does Washington's Coat Of Arms incorporate Stripes? Answer:- Yes.

More than a coincidence don't you not think?



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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Frankly, I find your point about who was here first as irrelevant to the thread.

Name me a country that can without any doubt say that the current occupants were the "first". Many native cultures/civilizations disappeared before the current renters/leasers arrived.

By that logic, The plains "belong" to the buffalo-there are those that believe it- and so on.

All your point does is muddy the waters even more with no valid solution. Just my opinion.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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Crappy video but dont forget the gold fringed flag

Dale Gribble explains it hilariously



Excuse poor quality, still funny

I miss this show



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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nwtrucker
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Frankly, I find your point about who was here first as irrelevant to the thread.

Name me a country that can without any doubt say that the current occupants were the "first". Many native cultures/civilizations disappeared before the current renters/leasers arrived.

By that logic, The plains "belong" to the buffalo-there are those that believe it- and so on.

All your point does is muddy the waters even more with no valid solution. Just my opinion.


His point is more valid than most in this thread

Patriotism and nationalism are transitory and arbitrary. People and our human rights are what matter in the end - the rest is nonsense



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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reply to post by Nyiah
 


"I'd use physical violence because I have fake OCD and want things alphabetical!!!"

Grow up.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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Nope. I find your reactions to flag burning and flag height and positioning laughable.

If someone were to burn the Union Jack, I'd think, why waste your time? It's only a flag - by burning it or changing its position in relation to another means nothing in terms of what the country is or represents to me.

You Americans get so wound up by these pitiful acts of spite and ignorance, and then spout these long diatribes about "blood" and "who died for what" and so on, as if *that* is what justifies its significance.

Jesus, it's a flag. Are you so insecure and weak about your "faith" in your own country that such a stupid act (burning, flag height, etc) by a stupid person or persons causes such rage?

I don't get it. I love the UK and you can do what you want wit the Union Jack. It's just a symbol. Burning it or changing its position in comparison to another does nothing to how I feel of the country.

Weirdos..
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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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So, does this mean you support the Mexican owner's right to free speech? Or the veteran gentleman's right to violate his right to free speech?


Depends.

Since it is a perfectly acceptable form of 'free speech' to burn American flags, and bibles then it is also a perfectly acceptable form of free speech to burn the Mexican flag.

The 'Mexican' owner ?

People who live here are called 'Americans' are they not ?





But, that doesn't protect criminal behavior - or vigilante justice.


Like US foreign policy ?

Honestly I could care less what they did mainly because that flag was most likely made in CHINA like the American flag is.
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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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People who live here are called 'Americans' are they not ?

Fair enough :-)

Then, I'd say - he has the right to fly anything he wants over his business - no?

Like US foreign policy ?

On this you'll get no argument from me - and in fact I'd probably shake your hand

Provided, of course that you include everything that happened before the current administration in addition to it...

That is what you meant - right?

:-)
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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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Then, I'd say - he has the right to fly anything he wants over his business - no?


Yep people are 'free' to be as jingoistic as they want.

And people are free not to like it.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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neo96
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Then, I'd say - he has the right to fly anything he wants over his business - no?


Yep people are 'free' to be as jingoistic as they want.

And people are free not to like it.

Perfect.

Almost... Also free to liberate the property of law abiding citizens and then abscond with it?

(I know the answer to that neo - I just don't know when to leave well enough alone...)

:-)



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