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So now F-4s are stealthy? It would have shown up on ATC radar, both skin return and transponder.
Tyndall AFB also flies QF-4s and QF-16s over the Gulf of Mexico, which is where the shootex ranges are, and the training ranges are.
What part of "So close we thought we hit it" do you not understand? Even if it was a quick glimpse, if it was close enough that he was convinced he thought they hit it, then it would have been huge in the windscreen. Either it was so far away that he thought it was small, and wasn't a threat to them, or it was so close that even a quick glimpse would never be confused for a small RC aircraft. You can't have it both ways, yet again.
originally posted by: imitator
Yes very possible with something like radar absorbing paint, they do test weapons "missiles" against those types of features. It would appear as if nothing were on radar. There are several ways to confuse radar and transponders, lots of little things they can program and test against etc... I bet you know those things...
You never know what else they use them for.... maybe false flag scenarios.
A head on split second view can give a false perception of distance and size. The pilot perception maybe lower after such a traumatic event, at best it's a general gist of what he saw... Maybe it was far, or it was so close that his perception failed. So yes I can have it both ways....
originally posted by: luxordelphi
Looks to me like pretty much anyone can invade our privacy.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
Not against ATC radar, or over a populated area, and not on F-4s. That would be what RCS ranges, and special test aircraft are used for, not 40+ year old F-4s.
So they're going to use a tiny number of planes
Either it's close enough that he could tell size, and it was a threat of some sort, or it was so far away he was mistaken on size, and it wasn't a threat.
originally posted by: imitator
I think your underestimating modern RAM technology, it's much more advanced than it was several years ago. ATC looks for skin paint, plus transponders... They do test 40+ year old aircraft with stealth technology, several countries still use old aircraft that can be modified with modern RAM. The do test F4's and other aircraft with such material against missiles and radar etc...
I'm not saying only F4's are reserved for false flag scenarios, it can be any type of aircraft that can be droned out for such events. It's common sense for most conspiracy theories... right? The fact is, it can be done.
A split second view can give a false sense of size and color, visual memory is incredibly small... that is why eyewitness evidence can be useless in a court of law. The fact that he saw an F4 near an area that test F4's is what stands out...
Plus the FAA digging out files to fit their agenda.... it seems nowadays they have a bunch of idiots running government agencies...
originally posted by: Zaphod58
I'm probably the LAST person on here that underestimates RAM technology. But putting RAM on an F-4 is like putting lipstick on a pig. It's only going to get you so far.
So I guess that means that RC planes should be outlawed. Because there are types for every type of fighter out there. Again, if this was a full size F-4, there would be NO mistaking it for an RC plane if it was so close that the pilot was convinced he hit it, quick glimpse or not.