Unbelievable - American Express Encourages Outsourcing American Jobs

reply to post by schuyler


As much as it pains me to do so due to your rudeness, I do owe you an apology as it appears you may have been correct. As mentioned to another member in my previous post the language was not very clear and I may have overlooked certain details.

That being said, as previously mentioned, the language is not clear or decisive which is probably what lead me to missing what you noticed.

Outsourcing is a major issue domestically and internationally but this article is not the right one for discussing this important topic that affects millions of people each year.

I apologize to the members of this thread who may feel that I have mislead them...

reply to post by Shaiker


Utter garbage and pure propaganda.

I work 12 hours a day, 4 days a week and 10 on Friday. So does most of the other 35 people who work where I work. Do you know what we do? We take contract manufacturing work BACK from the Chinese and the Indians because their Diploma mill grads aren't smart enough (or hard working enough) to do it.

But even that's a generalization. Just like your post.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


You might be right about this presentation being about outsourcing to American workers. But it does still raise a key and important issue;

Look at reason #2

It's all about saving money

Basically what Amex is saying is damn paying salaried workers to do tasks that I could cost out to someone else for a fraction of the price.

This is what is driving the economy down. If you consistently look to pay less and get more, you are going to eventually end up trying to make something out of nothing.

Example (These figures are purely hypothetical, but demonstrate my point)

Say Amex discovered they could save 20% on wage costs by doing this, it would look a little like this;

Before outsourcing

Total annual income $100,000,000

Total cost of workers $10,000,000

Total profit (before other expenses) $90,000,000

$10,000,000 of Amex's turnover goes straight into the pockets of American workers who then disseminate that into their local economy.

After outsourcing

Total annual income $100,000,000 (the same as before)

Total cost of workers $8,000,000 (20% less now)

Total profit before other expenses $92,000,000 (only $2,000,000 more)

$2,000,000 of money has been ripped from workers hands and fed back to people who are already rolling in their millions. There is no real winner here, the local economies of the workers who have now lost their jobs / had their wages slashed are now suffering because that money is no longer being spent in it.

All in all, it might not be talking about overseas outsourcing, but in the end it still damages the local economy through tight fisted cost cutting nonetheless.

tinner07
Well yes we are outraged. The outsourcing of our jobs, the influx of illegal immigrants, cuts to pensions, etc...

But here lies the problem, not the whole problem, just a part... I am a union worker, mostly vote democrat because they tend to stand for the working man.

Lately however they also stand for bringing in illegal immigrants to take our jobs.

Now the republican party is against illegal immigration but also anti-union. They don't want people stand together and force a fair pay.
They are for outsourcing jobs to increase profits of the few.
trickle down economics.

It hasnt worked

I think you are a bit confused here.
The Democratic party, in regards to illegals, is to make them legal. Making them legal gets them a minimum wage and taxed. having them remain illegal means they will continue to work for peanuts, no taxes, etc..
A shift business owner isn't seeking out documented workers to work for peanuts, they want the illegals.

The argument is over us making the current illegal ones here legal. Dems say yes, Reps say no.
Why would the Reps not want them to be made legal? quite simply because the businesses using illegals don't want to pay more for legal immigrants.

The Dems under Obama have caught and sent back more illegals than the bush presidency.
Lets deal in facts here.
It doesn't hurt you if the guy next to you making the same as you has a Spanish accent but is here legally and therefore required to be paid a certain amount..it hurts when the guy next to you is illegal, cant become illegal, and is making a quarter to your dollar. What needs to happen is to get them papers asap considering he is gonna be here either way.

The republican party is against giving papers to the illegals..but you will find the republican business owners use tons of illegals in their operations..they certainly don't want their illegals to get papers and therefore have to pay em minimum wage...therefore, they lobby and fight to muddle up the process, using the seriously dumbed down reason and patriotism to the less informed.

Incidentally, in regards to the AMEX stuff.

I think its high time our economic policy grows some nationalism here. AMEX is overtly trying to disrupt commerce and the economic strength of the nation (America). It is the function of the government, as written in the constitution, to protect the commerce integrity and our economy.

I think AMEX should, from their practice, and any other corporation purposefully trying to remove jobs from home, be kicked from the shores and banned to do business in the US. Either we get tough, or we continue to fall into a black hole while slave labor countries remove all the jobs from the states.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


Nothing unbelievable here.

Corporate profits (they call it "lowering cost") trumps any individual or national well being. It's been here for a while...and it's staying.

So pop your eye back into your eye sockets...there is more to come.

Make no mistake guys...it's not about outsourcing your jobs back to US. While marketing for it, you must not state explicitly...that those jobs will most probably be outsourced to the lowest bidder...in the end...it is the point of outsourcing...to cut cost isn't it? So most probably a lowest bidder gets the job.

Now...Can your guys and girls compare with...let's say a worker from India, concerning compensation and wages? They most certainly can not.

You are being quite delusional if you think that outsourcing will create more jobs for the people back in US. It will not.

I'm currently working on 2 projects with outsourcing another company...that is actually in another country. And I can tell you from experience...it's a hell to work on. But, it cuts my company costs...so I guess it's ok.

reply to post by tinner07


I don't recall hearing Republicans talking about outsourcing on the campaign trail. Just so you know, that is not a legitimate plank of the Republican Party. Not that I like all the GOP is doing these days, as they seem to be busy sucking up to Democrats of late(that is the RINOS and the moderates). Perhaps you are confusing the idea of "free trade" with "outsourcing". I don't happen to be for either. Free Trade is not really free.
Let's talk about who likes to outsource. How about Microsoft, for one. Since Bill Gates is the empire builder of MS, and he is clearly a Progressive with Progressive ideals, one has to ask why a Progressive wants to outsource jobs....so I guess it's not all GOP outsourcing jobs. Realize it is a sign of Globalism on both sides of the aisle.
I would say this article proves my point... www.informationweek.com...

Basically what Amex is saying is damn paying salaried workers to do tasks that I could cost out to someone else for a fraction of the price.

reply to post by markosity1973



This could actually be an unintended consequence of Obamacare, as many businesses find themselves having to cut workers hours or even cut employees due to the cost of Obamacare.

reply to post by markosity1973


You are blaming this all on capitalism and baby boomers???? What a hoot! You forgot half the problem, which is increasing cost of union employee pension benefits and bureaucratic regulations, which Democrats and Progressives are particularly fond of. Companies are forced to outsource because of these additional costs. Let's talk about Obamcare while we are on the subject....more and more companies are cutting hours back or cutting employees just to survive.
How about another issue....the continuous printing of fiat money at will for ridiculous spending programs that have nothing to do with running a good government of by and for all the people. This current (socialist) admin is printing money faster than Niagara Falls!
I will throw you one bone on the baby boomer issue however. Many baby boomers fell hook line and sinker for the communist and socialist propaganda of groups like SDS(Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were part of) and other radical groups sporting for communism. This was going on in the 60's when rock groups were forever singing about the wonders of socialist utopias and peace love and drugs. Communist activists were then leading an entire generation down the primrose path of a Totalitarian NWO.
Thanks for listening

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


So , an Americans Response to that should be ...........Boycott American Express Credit Cards Until they " Rethink " their asinine Logic .