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Wrabbit2000
Im2keul
reply to post by oblvion
I was always under the impression that once you purchased (legally) it was automatically registered to you.
Is this not accurate?
No.. That isn't correct. Federal law requires you submit to a background check to buy a firearm. That's it. End of story. the gun is yours...go and have fun with it. No long term records are supposed to be held from those checks. That's the extent of the Federal Government's involvement in an average gun sale between a licensed dealer and a private citizen. Nothing more... That's it. Simple, isn't it?
That is all there *IS* in states like mine, too...as our state isn't populated by busy body buffoons looking to legislate every possible angle of any human behavior they can imagine to write a new law about.
Most states, however, DO have registration systems...and so, it is to your specific state and not the Nation/Feds one must look.
ATF using digital scanners. “ATF has been copying FFL Bound Books for years — with or without FFL permission. During annual compliance inspections in other states, FFL dealers have reported that ATF industry operations investigators (IOI) brought in digital cameras and photographed the entire dealer ‘Bound Book’ without permission of the FFL holder. Other dealers reported investigators brought in digital scanners and scanned portions of the Bound Book — line by line. Of course, the Bound Book contains the dealer’s full record of lawful firearm sales transaction records.”i
*FFL’s complain of illegal ATF activity. “The [ATF] is engaged in new illegal activity, this time in the state of Alaska. According to gun store owners in Anchorage, ATF agents are requiring that they submit what is called ‘4473 Forms’ going as far back as 2007…. The ATF has the authority to inspect or request a copy of the form if agents are conducting a criminal investigation.
“But nowhere does the law or the rules and regulations of the ATF permit the agency to require gun stores to simply turn over these records en mass as a matter of course. The gun stores in Anchorage are not being told that their records are being requested as part of a criminal investigation of any kind. The ATF has not specified certain forms from specific time frames as one would expect during such an investigation. The agency is telling the stores that it wants all of these records, in totality, going back to 2007.”ii
If the ATF is willing to engage in this activity — in full view of gun dealers — one can only imagine what is being done behind closed doors when the names of innocent gun buyers are phoned in for NICS checks. Can we truly be sure that every gun buyer’s name that is entered into the NICS computer system is completely deleted and scrubbed, without a backup being made … anywhere?
Past attempts at turning background checks into a national registry
In 1989, a Justice Department report stated that, “Any system that requires a criminal history record check prior to purchase of a firearm creates the potential for the automated tracking of individuals who seek to purchase firearms.”iii
Indeed, several attempts have been made — most notably during the Clinton administration — to register the names of gun buyers:
* Justice Department initiates registration (1994). The Justice Department gave a grant to the city of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University to create a sophisticated national gun registry using data compiled from states’ background check programs. This attempt at registration was subsequently defeated in the courts.iv
* More gun owner registration (1996). Computer software distributed by the Justice Department allowed police officials to easily (and unlawfully) register the names and addresses of gun buyers. This software — known as FIST — also kept information such as the type of gun purchased, the make, model and caliber, the date of purchase, etc.v This demonstrates how easily background checks can be used to register gun owners’ information.
* Federal Bureau of Investigation registers gun owners (1998). Despite prohibitions in federal law, the FBI announced that it would begin keeping gun buyers’ names for six months. FBI had originally wanted to keep the names for 18 months, but reduced the time period after groups like Gun Owners of America strongly challenged the legality of their actions. GOA submitted a formal protest to the FBI, calling their attempt at registration both “unlawful” and “unconstitutional.”vi Subsequently, Congress passed the “Smith amendment” in 1998 to mandate the “immediate destruction of all [gun buyer] information, in any form whatsoever.”
thisguyrighthere
Im2keul
reply to post by oblvion
I was always under the impression that once you purchased (legally) it was automatically registered to you.
Is this not accurate?
Generally, no, that is not accurate. Some states have different laws requiring registration but as a nation federal level registration doesnt exist (on record anyway) and most of the 50 state don't have state level registries.
For a long time CT had a state level handgun registry. Your handgun would be registered at point of sale whether or not the sale was private or through a dealer.
CT had no long gun registry until this asinine post-Newtown brain farting. This registry was temporarily opened. Any prohibited firearms that were not registered by the deadline are now illegal as far as the state is concerned.
Some estimates show compliance levels as low as 10-15% meaning 85-90% of the prohibited firearms and their owners in the state are now felons.
The state has yet to enforce their new law and is floundering about trying to delay the inevitable because if the state doesnt act then what's the point of the law that was so important it had to be rushed through in the dead of night without a thought or care?
Surely the state will not permit these felonious scofflaws to run free.
Wrabbit2000
UnBreakable
ohioriver
reply to post by nighthawk1954
I wonder how many people will just keep posting as if it were real. Should leave it up just to see.
Keep it going for entertainment purposes. People will believe only what they want to believe.
Hmmm.. I caught the bogus nature of the source.
This site is a satire of the current state of Law Enforcement, Fire Fighting and Emergency Medical work. Stories posted here are not real and you should not assume them to have any basis in any real fact. More ...
However...... Cops as leading the gun owners by number and variety in CT is a no brainer and I'm sure, a general fact of life there as much as it is everywhere else. That's my cop's kid upbringing again for saying cops LOVE guns..and New York found this same problem with their magazine limits. Cops were included and Cops went ballistic....
So is it false that CT is still going full tilt in confiscation? I get the source is goofy..but even a broken clock is right twice a day..and the story seems common sense much more than anything to be subjectively right or wrong?
vkey08
This is why I'm so upset with everyone charging ahead full steam with how awful this is, it's not really, it will most likely be repealed SOONISH and life will go on...
Merlynn
reply to post by nighthawk1954
So the intern is the police chief's kid, not surprised. Wonder how he got that?
Why do they even need a gun registration if they already know who has guns? They have a list of people who haven't complied.