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let's see, NK has no religion so that might be a place you would like and won't have to struggle to change anything.
atheists don't care about other countries and peoples?
just the USA?
Grimpachi
tsingtao
Grimpachi
HarbingerOfShadows
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
Religious Beliefs are not benign?
o.O
Well, your right, in a sense.
They are null.
Neither benign nor malicious.
What people choose to do or not do in accordance to what beliefs they hold is ultimately up to them.
You cannot blame religion for the misdeeds of people without making some sort of magical mind control entity out of it.
Haha right! Maybe you haven't been paying attention.
President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.
George Bush believes he is on a mission from God, according to the politician Nabil Shaath. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP
The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.
The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."Not malicious?edit on 9-3-2014 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)
funny stuff.
who told obama to get rid of mubarick and ghaddaffy? valerie jarret?
We can only hope it wasn't Zeus, Odin, or Yahoo.
Grimpachi
reply to post by tsingtao
let's see, NK has no religion so that might be a place you would like and won't have to struggle to change anything.
Nah. I didn't even like living in South Korea it gets to hot and to cold. Plus I don't like the government of NK.
atheists don't care about other countries and peoples?
Sure we do.
just the USA?
There is a saying about cleaning up your own backyard first that applies.
tsingtao
Grimpachi
reply to post by tsingtao
A sane one.
Or at least more sane than now.edit on 9-3-2014 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)
yeah, not very detailed, ya think?
define sane.
tsingtao
Grimpachi
reply to post by tsingtao
let's see, NK has no religion so that might be a place you would like and won't have to struggle to change anything.
Nah. I didn't even like living in South Korea it gets to hot and to cold. Plus I don't like the government of NK.
atheists don't care about other countries and peoples?
Sure we do.
just the USA?
There is a saying about cleaning up your own backyard first that applies.
USA then the world?
gonna straighten us all out, eh? give a timeline for the rest of the neighborhood.
i think we might be drifting OT. so i will leave this thread.
Grimpachi
tsingtao
Grimpachi
reply to post by tsingtao
A sane one.
Or at least more sane than now.edit on 9-3-2014 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)
yeah, not very detailed, ya think?
define sane.
Like you said religion has been here since we could think.
We should try something different. Religion had its chance.
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.
Albert Einstein
The better idea in my humble opinion is to stop worrying what everyone else believes.
Grimpachi
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
Sure do.
Uhm....
Yes it does.
If the beliefs can take no action of their own accord.
It naturally follows that they are neither benign or malignant.
It's all left to how the person acts and interprets.
Case in point, many Christians, while believing that homosexuality is a sin.
Will not in anyway seek to harm or wish harm upon homosexuals.
Is believing someone is wrong for doing something inherently malignant?
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
….and when that belief is made manifest into action it's no longer a 'null' belief...
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
Which is good. But there are many that do wish to deny them equal treatment [or even wish physical harm] based on a theological position. What you're saying doesn't negate that.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
What you're saying implies some Christians choose to support a belief that is in conflict with their religious one, and in that event their religious beliefs were 'null'. Great, but they don't always do that. Clearly.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
I think the more prudent question is. Is believing something is wrong [or right] on no evidence a positive thing?
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
If I for instance believed drinking root beer cured cancer, and I did so with zero evidence, would you consider it a good or a bad thing if I started convincing others of this belief by the millions?
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
So yes I definitely think it's a malignant thing that the discrimination against LGBT is largely theological in nature and is also wholly lacking evidence. As one example.edit on 10-3-2014 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
Ah, so religion is magical and makes people think, feel, and act a certain way.
Or, we could go with the more realistic viewpoint, homophobes will be homophobes regardless of religious belief. extra DIV
It seemed rather clear to me was talking about belief.
Not belief made action.
That's something different.
Tangent.
Unimportant.
I made my point.
Homophobia is hardly a religious belief.
Comes from people, not from their belief as to the existence and nature of a higher power.
And this has absolutely nothing to do with my comments.
But I do defend their right to believe it.
So long as they, as individuals, do no harm.
Bad example.
Disregarded.
Ah, so religion is magical and makes people think, feel, and act a certain way.
Grimpachi
tsingtao
Grimpachi
reply to post by tsingtao
A sane one.
Or at least more sane than now.edit on 9-3-2014 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)
yeah, not very detailed, ya think?
define sane.
Like you said religion has been here since we could think.
We should try something different. Religion had its chance.