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And religious people are not people nor should they stand up for their freedom too?
Up here in Quebec there is widespread complaints, for our minister confused "freedom of speech" with "prejudice against all religious symbols" such as the cross.
That's what happens when christiano-phobia meets politics.
I don't think religious extremism should be allowed to spread propaganda. But I think everyday christians should still have their freedom.
IF INDEED, YOU DO SUCCEED, in your quest to prove that GOD DOES NOT EXIST, how do you plan to convince, the unconvinced, that YOU REALLY WERE LOOKING IN THE RIGHT PLACE??? Or, have you thought that far ahead? What if you fail to convince them, WHAT THEN... ???
Can anyone prove there is?
I think it's silly - all this trying to prove that people's BELIEFS are either right or wrong...
reply to post by BenReclused
As an atheist I see no need to try and convince believers of anything. I'm a live and let live kind of guy. You are free to believe whatever you like....as am I. Just show me the same respect and we're all good.
IF INDEED, YOU DO SUCCEED, in your quest to prove that GOD DOES NOT EXIST, how do you plan to convince, the unconvinced, ...
Ah, reversing the old "What proof would you accept of God's existence?" As a believer, I'd have to say the intellectually honest will be compelled to admit that just as with some there would be no proof of God's existence they would accept, there are some that wouldn't accept any proof of His absence.
But I never try to convert any atheists.
I only attempt to explain myself, however poor my efforts are and try to get them to understand that when they look at believers they are really only staring in a sort of mirror.
1 - Why do you think that all atheists are on a quest to prove that God does not exist?
2 - Why do you think that all atheists are trying to convince others that God doesn't exist?
Sure some are doing that ... but most just simply don't care what people believe or disbelieve.
IF INDEED, YOU DO SUCCEED, in your quest to prove that GOD DOES NOT EXIST, how do you plan to convince, the unconvinced, that YOU REALLY WERE LOOKING IN THE RIGHT PLACE???
Or, have you thought that far ahead? What if you fail to convince them, WHAT THEN... ???
Though, hidden in the shadows, and rarely heard, THERE'S a CONSPIRACY a FOOT, to shut theists up (Nope! I reckon, I'm not a poet... Hell... I KNOW IT...), and I fear, for the theists... fair warning... oh dear...
the other thread but it got closed down
it wasn't the OP necessarily, but more that of the responses of others who apparently didn't get it, either.
folks replying as if they had been the target. crying foul ..... and using that as a means or self-perceived justification to call out others.... atheists, theists, etc.
agnostics sit on the fence
they can drop onto either the theist or atheists side
they get attacked by both sides
As a Christan I think their perspective is the most intellectuality honest.
They basically say organized religion, the Bible and various unanswered questions have not proved God exists.
Yet they also see design and structure to the cosmos, earth, and biology; which from their world view leaves the door open to somebody who designed and built it. There is unresolved conflict in perspective, leaving them to ultimately think "I don't know"
God should not allow this, if he was around he would have stopped this madness. Many agnostics and atheists feel the same today.
if I wasn't a Christian I would be an agnostic for sure, I understand their perspective, in fact I deeply empathize with it.
dogmatic hardcore atheists, they think they are so much smarter than everybody else, even highly intelligent agnostics,
a hardcore atheist who attacked agnostics just as hard as he attacked theists, I think he viewed them as a greater threat to the discussion,
To a true agnostic, the existence of God will never be known, unless, of course, he does, indeed, exist.