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Grimpachi
tsingtao
Grimpachi
reply to post by tsingtao
let's see, NK has no religion so that might be a place you would like and won't have to struggle to change anything.
Nah. I didn't even like living in South Korea it gets to hot and to cold. Plus I don't like the government of NK.
atheists don't care about other countries and peoples?
Sure we do.
just the USA?
There is a saying about cleaning up your own backyard first that applies.
USA then the world?
gonna straighten us all out, eh? give a timeline for the rest of the neighborhood.
i think we might be drifting OT. so i will leave this thread.
Actually the US is lagging behind the rest of the modern world. We are kind of slow, but I still think we can get there.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by tsingtao
What science? We tried science in the 20th century and should we try it again? What did you mean if I am off mark.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
It's a logical extension of belief. Actions arise from thoughts. Beliefs are thoughts. If we are going to discuss whether beliefs are or are not benign obviously it would call for a discussion of actions from those beliefs. Excluding that from the argument makes no sense.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
Then your point made no sense. I actually thought it did, but if what I said was a tangent then I guess I am wrong in that assessment.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
I've been actively engaged in discussion not just with LGBT but with those that oppose it for over a decade. My experience shows otherwise. Agree to disagree I suppose. I strongly feel it's primarily due to religions instilling these beliefs into people [children especially].
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
I support their right to believe it as well. I don't support the right for their religious beliefs to dictate the lives of non-believers. Separation of religion from State and protecting the minority from the majority comes to mind as well.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
Indeed. So long as. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. My argument is about when they do.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
So is that what discussion with you is going to look like?
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
Saying things like "unimportant" "tangent" "disregarded" …. with no explanation…
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HarbingerOfShadows
I wouldn't call it magic but yes. It's a very strong factor in how they think, feel, and act.
Then make that distinction.
You haven't thus far haven't and seem to fight me when I do.
Given that you already have a track record of disregarding key parts of what I say?
Paint their belief as something distructive and then claim you support their right to have that belief?
HarbingerOfShadows
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
In the Soviet Union to name one regime.
But, to blame the Soviet Union's excesses atheism is just as silly as blame religion for other excesses.
tsingtao
Grimpachi
tsingtao
Grimpachi
reply to post by tsingtao
let's see, NK has no religion so that might be a place you would like and won't have to struggle to change anything.
Nah. I didn't even like living in South Korea it gets to hot and to cold. Plus I don't like the government of NK.
atheists don't care about other countries and peoples?
Sure we do.
just the USA?
There is a saying about cleaning up your own backyard first that applies.
USA then the world?
gonna straighten us all out, eh? give a timeline for the rest of the neighborhood.
i think we might be drifting OT. so i will leave this thread.
Actually the US is lagging behind the rest of the modern world. We are kind of slow, but I still think we can get there.
have you actually been to the "rest of the world"?
Not fear either. You are a little warmer though.
I welcome you to keep trying though if you get it I will let you know.
I began to exclude all the subjective "possibilities" and focus on what I could reasonably prove to be true objectively, or at least, to exist within the parameters of the reality of the experiences of my own life.
BenReclused
reply to post by Grimpachi
Not fear either. You are a little warmer though.
I welcome you to keep trying though if you get it I will let you know.
Because of your reluctance to tell me what "it" is, I can only assume that "it" is a combination of both, jealousy and fear.
See ya,
Milt
AfterInfinity
reply to post by BenReclused
Not my conversation, but your posts have given me an idea, so I'm gonna take a crack at this. The point of your thread is to separate agnostics from atheists by their responses to the idea of proving or disproving god. And you hoped they would see it happening and finally realize the point you've been making for the last three or so threads. Am I close?edit on 10-3-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Not my conversation,
your posts have given me an idea, so I'm gonna take a crack at this
The point of your thread is to separate agnostics from atheists by their responses to the idea of proving or disproving god.
As a matter of fact, I feel that ALL THINGS are possible, unless that "possibility" can be objectively "ruled out". To me, God is only one those "possible things", that hasn't, yet, been "ruled out".
And you hoped they would see it happening and finally realize the point you've been making for the last three or so threads.
Am I close?
However, I was indeed, trying to "highlight" the "conflict of interest" that, truly does, separate atheism, from agnosticism.