School Causes Girl To Get Frost Bite

Rules are rules! Personally, I feel the teacher directly responsible for the the kid at the time (a gym teacher I guess) should get the blame. And why was only this one girl wet and in her bathing suit? Not the whole class?

The rules have to be set as such - but any teacher should be able to look at a unique situation and make an audible!

Yeah. Yeah, now here comes the speech about how he's just doing his job by following orders. Friends, let me tell you about another group of hate mongers that were just following orders. They were called Nazis! - Chewlies Gum Rep

After reading the article this wasn't a routine fire drill, a science experiment set off the fire alarm. That's a different scenario, more of an emergency. Not saying the school was right but until they're sure why the alarm went off it's best to get the kids out.

It would've been far worse had the school blown up with her inside. It would take about 10 minutes to account for everyone/determine why the alarm went off. Had it taken longer, EMTs/firemen would've taken care of her.

What I'm confused about is why she was the only one wet and in a swimming suit? I went to a large high school we never got private time in the pool. Had she been swimming with a group more kids would've been outside half naked. Was she swimming alone? Not a good idea. Not sure what's going on in that school but it's not adding up.

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe


Sadly is seems she was so conditioned to obey that she was unable to use her survival instinct to kick someone in the gonads., until let let her back in.

reply to post by Morningglory


whatever the circumstances, someone should have protected her from the elements.

FYI for some folks commenting on this thread.

1) The 14 year old girl is a minor, and a child, in the care of whoever/whatever authority is in charge at that time.

2) 5 degree weather is dangerous period, and wind chill of -25 is downright deadly.

3) Many people that have never experienced this type of weather have no clue.

4) It doesn't matter what the situation was, how it happened, or why it did because a child ended up outside in the dangerous cold.

Here in Michigan a women slipped and fell on ice, bumped her head on the ground, and froze to death in similar conditions, in less than 45 minutes, with winter clothes on a few years back.

Cold is one thing, but a wind chill is nothing to play around with, especially when the real temperature is in the single digits.

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reply to post by Morningglory


according to the article,there were two in the pool. one girl had her clothes pool side she didn't.

as i said time and time again. plans are not always the best way to do things. sure in principle, but in 5degree ambient temp with a -25 windchill, the first teacher that saw her or her teacher at the pool, should have taken responsibility made sure she was in a safe place,and accounted for her.

it's called initiative

in·i·ti·a·tive
iˈniSH(ē)ətiv/ noun noun: initiative; plural noun: initiatives; noun: the initiative
1. the ability to assess and initiate things independently.
"use your initiative, imagination, and common sense" synonyms: self-motivation, resourcefulness, inventiveness, imagination, ingenuity, originality, creativity, enterprise; More drive, dynamism, ambition, motivation, spirit, energy, vision; informalget-up-and-go, pep, moxie, spunk, gumption "employers are looking for people with initiative"
2. the power or opportunity to act or take charge before others do. "we have lost the initiative and allowed our opponents to dictate the subject"

reply to post by Stormdancer777

Not saying she shouldn't have been protected from the elements but imo that's only half the story. It's possible this school is negligent in other areas as well.

As a parent I would want answers. I would want to know why my child was the only one wet/in a bathing suit and the school better have a reasonable explanation for it.

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe


That's criminal negligence. Someone should be in jail.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie

There were only two in the pool? Wonder how much supervision they had? We weren't allowed to bring anything poolside, water hazard etc. Everything went in the locker.

Makes me think these two weren't very well supervised. Sounds like no one was there to take charge. My coaches would've done something, given us their clothes/shoes. I think these kids were left to their own devices.

I'd say this is only the tip of the iceberg, the school's lucky something worse didn't happen poolside or wherever else these kids are left unsupervised.

reply to post by defcon5


i'm not gonna keep going back and forth with you on this. it's plain to see that your by the book, a compliance kinda guy, and sees this only through the eyes of a emergency services provider. one of the ones who thinks that, our way is the right way, and in my opinion second only to cops, who suffer not being able to see because of their pride and arrogance.

but for those of us who have been there done that, and those that haven't, but see that going by the book can and does cause injury and in some instances death. we know better. i will admit that the book is right sometimes, sometimes it's not, such as this case.

fact is the child suffered frost bite, which can and is used as a indication of a more severe problem.

Frostbite
Causes
Inadequate blood circulation when the ambient temperature is below freezing leads to frostbite. This can be because the body is constricting circulation to extremities on its own to preserve core temperature and fight hypothermia. In this scenario the same factors that can lead to hypothermia (extreme cold, inadequate clothing, wet clothes, wind chill)

now this was a health teacher from what i read, he should have known this if he was a real health teacher living in Minnesota! one of the coldest states in the union. he should have taken charge of the two children made sure the one with clothes went to the group and placed the other in a safe place and accounted for her to his superiors. chances are in doing so he would have received recognition of having seen a problem and took the initiative to do something about it and brought to light a problem that has been over looked in this plan, in a positive way instead of a negative way.

before i close i would like to ask 1 question and point out a mistake that you have made.

i was wondering why you didn't acknowledge the word less out in the reply i made to you, in your reply back to me?
could it have been ln the context that the word less was used, it proved your point wrong? meaning that death could result in less than 15 mins.
here is your reply and my original quote i used in my post where the word .less is used.

your reply to me, if you go to your earlier post you say 15 mins never mentioning the word less.

reply to post by defcon5
Yeah, that's the same numbers I quoted you, and those are full immersion in freezing water. That's worst case scenario as water is a great conductor of heat, and causes you to lose it faster.

hounddoghowlie
again from ny USSARTF guidelines
Water temperature: 32 degrees or below Time until exhaustion or unconsciousness: Less than 15 minutes Expected time of survival in the water: Less than 15 to 45 minutes

in your reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe
where you used the Chart from NOAA, this one,reply to post by defcon5

We don't know the windspeed from the news, but we know that it was -5 and -25 windchill, which means that the wind should have been roughly 14mph. That puts it in the 30 minutes zone.

if you look at the top of the chart, where it says temperature(f), that means outside ambient temp. if you go down the column under 5 degrees, all the way down to where you start seeing -21 degrees,then look to the left whereit gives wind(mph) you see that the wind speed is at least 35 mph for a -21 degree temp. then as you move further down the chart as the minus below temps are shown.
at -25 the wind speed says 55 mph, and is much closer to the 10 min shaded area of the chart.

the news article plainly stated that the temp was 5 degrees, and the windchill -25, not -5 and a wind chill of -25

did you over look that or did you just fudge your numbers to make your point?
granted you said that we don't know the wind speed.

like i said, i'm not going to keep going back and forth with you on this. you it see your way
i and others see it in a different way.

edit on 5-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)