Is bigotry genetic?

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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 06:56 AM
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I am a firm believer in homosexuality being genetic. I'm also a supporter of LGBT rights and gay marriage.

Here's my point. If people are born wired to be gay, could the aversion to homosexuality by straight men, be genetic as well?

I am a devout athiest progressive. I'm a total social libertarian who believes you should be allowed to do anything that doesn't infringe on others.

However it bothers me to see gay sexuality. Even tho logically I have no problem with it. That leads me to believe that heterosexual males might be genetically geared to have the stomach turn reaction.

This is not me saying that homosexuality is in anyway wrong! I'm just asking if the aversion to homosexuality could be hard wired into straight men. Just like I believe homosexuality is hard wired into gay people.

I'll finish by saying. If it is genetic. Then it's up to heterosexual men to deal with it. It's our issue! There are plenty of things we are genetically geared to do that civilization and civilized society has taught us better.

What's the verdict?




posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:03 AM
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reply to post by ArtemisE
 


Not entirely genetic because idiocy seems contagious.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:06 AM
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ArtemisE

What's the verdict?

I'm a heterosexual male, and I've never had an aversion or stomach turn reaction to gay sexuality. That's not to say your premise is wrong; just that it's not universal.

I've had gay friends since I was in high school (early 90s), so it's always been a normal part of my world. If there was a point when I had to overcome a genetically geared instinct to be bothered by it, I don't remember it, but I guess I must have overcome it.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:07 AM
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Men and women are genetically different right down to a cellular level. If one is born male, but cellular levels are that of a female, you are basically wearing the wrong body.

Whether these aberrations are genetic 'defects', the result of environmental pollutants, or a natural progression of evolution is unknown.

To be born prejudice doesn't seem as likely as being raised in that way.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:15 AM
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reply to post by nugget1
 


I find fault in the logic that being gay is genetic, but the aversion to homosexuality has to be learned. I'm not saying it isn't learned.... Just that I think the gay community doesn't even want to consider it. Hate is just as much a part of the human condition as love. As a society we are trying to out grow hate. But that doesn't mean IMHO That love is natural but hate has to be learned. I just don't think you get to have it both ways.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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Aversion to a sexual act is not genetic.
Some people like anal, some find it disgusting. The same as oral sex. Or any other sexual act.
You idea of going down on a woman is icky to me, but it's the act not lesbians I don't like.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:11 AM
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That's kinda my whole point! Could the aversion to the sexual acts be genetic. If your a gay man your discusted by the thought of going down on a woman. You have no problem with women straight or gay. But still the act turns your stomach.

Couldn't that be part of the switch that gets flipped when your body decides weather your straight or gay?

I have no problem with LGBT's. Have gay friends. Support gay marriage and still have the stomach turn reaction.

IMHO you kinda said you feel the same way. Assuming your gay. Which I am clearly jumping to conclusions on so please don't take offence. None was intended



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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Wouldn't sexual orientation be the major player in deciding what sex acts you are attracted to and repulsed by?



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:24 AM
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I'm on the other side of the fence, but don't harbor the extreme revulsion. Yes, I am repulsed to some degree on certain functions of body parts, but I hold no ill will towards people that have those parts and use them. LOL. Sex to me is a very, very personal thing and I don't care to hear about other peoples freak ons no matter who they are. When I look at people, I don't obsess about what they do in bed. Its not my business and I don't want the visuals. All I ask for is to respect me as I respect you as a human being. Not a sexual being (albeit, that is what we are).



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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I consider my self straight...but rarely comes a porn that turns my stomach. I can watch 2 guys going at it, no problem...not to mention two women...

what I can't watch is something like "two girls one cup" type of...well...porn.


If you've never heard of it...don't even google it...you might be sorry.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:32 AM
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ArtemisE
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That's kinda my whole point! Could the aversion to the sexual acts be genetic. If your a gay man your discusted by the thought of going down on a woman. You have no problem with women straight or gay. But still the act turns your stomach. Couldn't that be part of the switch that gets flipped when your body decides weather your straight or gay?
I have no problem with LGBT's. Have gay friends. Support gay marriage and still have the stomach turn reaction.


Is your aversion most prevalent when thinking about acts performed by homosexuals or when witnessing them or both? In my opinion it's likely a learned behavior ingrained at a young age like some people vomit when they see blood. Some with that reaction only do so when it's someone else's blood, some only when it's heir own. Others simply pass out or vomit no matter who's blood it is. Regarding sexual acts, I think it boils down more to what your personal preference is and what you enjoy doing with the partner of your choice as well as your level of exposure at a young age. For example I know many men who will not perform oral on their wives, girlfriends what have you because its disgusting to them but they have no problem at all with some deep kissing with their lady friend after she has given him a similar favor to... Completion , shall we say, in order to avoid and break of T&C of ATS. Similarly, if you are heterosexual you enjoy acts with the opposite sex, are used to those acts, have been sneaking into your uncles or older brothers porn stash since you were 9 and there is the comfort factor and familiarity of it and when confronted with something that is foreign let alone knowingly unpleasurable, it will cause one to have a rather negative reaction. It is a learned behavior similar to racism is learned and not ingrained And then there are those folks who seem disgusted because the need to hide the fact that secretly the idea is actually enticing to them yet they need to project a macho persona which in their mind involves putting down or bashing something that the other meat heads will cheer about. The same outlook is also perpetrated by those who don't have secret inclinations. Everyone has to put on a front at one time or another to look cool in front of the guys. All in all, I believe it is a learned behavior with several impetus behind or leading to the reaction to what many still deem unnatural.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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MarioOnTheFly
I consider my self straight...but rarely comes a porn that turns my stomach. I can watch 2 guys going at it, no problem...not to mention two women...

what I can't watch is something like "two girls one cup" type of...well...porn.


If you've never heard of it...don't even google it...you might be sorry.



I'm with you 100%. Te two girls one cup video or Ny Japanese bukaki is just too much for me and hanging out at Limelight NYC in the 90's I saw a lot of interesting and grotesque things going on both on the dance floor and in the bathrooms so it takes a LOT to make me turn away!



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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Amazingly done. I see your logic completely. I still could see it being tied to "brain wireing" just because of the sexual aspect. And sexual attraction and rejection are prob both ingrained in us.racism has no base drive to play off of..... Maybe territorialism.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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Very, very little inheritance is genetic - most is epigenetic.


Epigenetic inheritance may allow an organism to continually adjust its gene expression to fit its environment - without changing its DNA code.


Most of us were taught that our traits are hard-coded in the DNA that passes from parent to offspring. Emerging information about epigenetics may lead us to a new understanding of just what inheritance is.



Some epigenetic tags remain in place as genetic information passes from generation to generation, a process called epigenetic inheritance.

Epigenetic inheritance is an unconventional finding. It goes against the idea that inheritance happens only through the DNA code that passes from parent to offspring. It means that a parent's experiences, in the form of epigenetic tags, can be passed down to future generations.

As unconventional as it may be, there is little doubt that epigenetic inheritance is real. In fact, it explains some strange patterns of inheritance geneticists have been puzzling over for decades.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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I am no longer convinced Homosexuality is genetic.

At one time I loved Sex with men and women. I had it with men alone and enjoyed it greatly. I have had it with couples and en, joyed it, I had it with women alone and enjoyed it.

I was truly the "B" in the LGBT. Today I don't have those desires. It has all changed. I am strictly a straight and I am not longer attracted sexually to men and couples. I am only attracted to my wife today. I still have gay men flirt with me and it makes me uncomfortable but in my teens up to thirties it would not have bothered me.

So Yes, I changed and I have the choice.

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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 09:24 AM
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A rose by any other name! Lol to us lay folk epigenetic and genetic are the same thing. Your predispositions are at least some what ingrained. Weather it's DNA or random wireing of your brains pathways. Your born with it or have little control over your initial reaction to something. We all control what we do after the initial reaction tho.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 09:28 AM
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Genetic do transfer personality traits and eventually the genetic code will produce a constant trait of Sanguine Personality Trait this trait is highly connected to the Female personality but men get it as well. But this does not make a person gay in and of itself.

Other factors come into play such as education and influential environment. this is why we see a higher percentage of Metro-sexual men today.


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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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If you think lesbians are hot but anti gay you are a hypocrite.

Born gay or turn gay, I don't think it really matters. I certainly think the prejudices against any race or lifestyle is learned.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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A rose by any other name! Lol to us lay folk epigenetic and genetic are the same thing.


I know - and it makes me crazy. lol. Fact is, black is NOT white, but people who are taught it is and who are unable to distinguish the two are incredibly subject to manipulation. Where this false equation leads is not at all pretty.


Your predispositions are at least some what ingrained. Weather it's DNA or random wireing of your brains pathways. Your born with it or have little control over your initial reaction to something.


A lot of our predispositions are inherited epigenetically - but it's NOT random - it results from environmental exposures. The good news is that it's reversible if the environmental trigger is removed.

...The scam is that saying environmentally-induced epigenetic inheritance is "genetic" - takes all the pressure off everyone who's contaminating our planet, hides the fact that the effects are reversible, and sets people up for genetic culling in the not-so-distant future.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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Really!?! You sound like one of those " we can fix the gays". People are.






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