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4 Reasons Putin Is Already Losing in Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:17 AM
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Putin is going after the Jews


One of his supporters on this thread seems to hope so.


Putin has militarily invaded Ukraine


What do you call it when your troops seize public buildings and set up armed checkpoints on roads?


Putin planned this long before it happened


That was intended as a compliment!




posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:20 AM
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boncho
While attention initially focused on Russia's direct economic and business interests in Ukraine, it is now shifting towards the broader question of Russia's economic ties with the West and how disrupting them threatens to derail a struggling economy that is already near stagnation.


Economic ties with the west?

I think Putin summed it up nicely.
The world and the economics of the world are intertwined. Nations depend on each other.
Sanctions against Russia have consequences on the countries dishing out sanctions.
Its the same for any country, its not just Russia. This is more western bs.

If you sanction America, you hurt the world & America economically.
If you sanction Russia, you hurt the world and Russia economically.

The world cannot sanction Russia, Russia is the key holder to European energy. Its a fools concept, if you want to sanction russia as a punishment you might as well lob a few missiles at them because the end result will be the same.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:23 AM
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The world cannot sanction Russia, Russia is the key holder to European energy. I


The United States can supply Europe's energy more cheaply. Obama will use the sanctions against Russia as an excuse for finally clearing the Keystone Pipeline.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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agit8dchop - Putin is going after the Jews


DJW001 - One of his supporters on this thread seems to hope so.


yep, just more total nonsense being spread around but stupid fools to go with all the other stupid statements in regards to this situation.


agit8dchop - Putin has militarily invaded Ukraine


DJW001 - What do you call it when your troops seize public buildings and set up armed checkpoints on roads?


I don't know, this is not like anything that has happened before. To call it an 'invasion' is very premature.
invasions don't sit there and negotiate with enemy soldiers on the other side of the fence. they usually shoot first and talk later.


agit8dchop - Putin planned this long before it happened


DJW001 - That was intended as a compliment!


To who? I never said he planned this, i think its an idiotic assessment of the situation. Or are we going back to the notion that a word military super power cannot send a few thousand troops a few hundred km's in a few days?

Don't take it personally, your just one nut in a large mixed bag of nuts at the moment that want to put a historical label on a situation that has never occurred before. This isn't an invasion, Russia and Putin haven't ''lost'' and we aren't at war.

At lot of diplomatic talk needs to occur but in the end Ukraine is going to have to accept that the Crimea is now Russian territory that Ukraine is allowed to use, enjoy and participate in - however it no longer takes orders from Kiev considering there is no government in Kiev to take orders from.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:29 AM
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DJW001
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The world cannot sanction Russia, Russia is the key holder to European energy. I


The United States can supply Europe's energy more cheaply. Obama will use the sanctions against Russia as an excuse for finally clearing the Keystone Pipeline.


not tomorrow it cant, its Winter in Europe now.

Like it or lump it, Russia is in control of this situation and I'm glad they are because America has proven unable to handle these kinds of situations properly.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:38 AM
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Don't take it personally, your just one nut in a large mixed bag of nuts at the moment that want to put a historical label on a situation that has never occurred before. This isn't an invasion, Russia and Putin haven't ''lost'' and we aren't at war.


Don't take this wrong, but this has happened before. It is exactly what Hitler did in the Sudetenland. You will just have to get used to Putin being compared to Hitler. The historical parallel is exact.


At lot of diplomatic talk needs to occur but in the end Ukraine is going to have to accept that the Crimea is now Russian territory that Ukraine is allowed to use, enjoy and participate in - however it no longer takes orders from Kiev considering there is no government in Kiev to take orders from.


Thank you for admitting that the "Republic of Crimea" is a fiction. Russia has annexed the Crimea and is about to annex Eastern Ukraine. For all practical purposes, much of Ukraine has been run from Moscow.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:40 AM
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not tomorrow it cant, its Winter in Europe now.


Yes, it can. Even if it has to sell to Europe at a loss. The American economy can take it. The Russian can't.


Like it or lump it, Russia is in control of this situation and I'm glad they are because America has proven unable to handle these kinds of situations properly.


In that case, Russia had better be prepared to accept the consequences.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:40 AM
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DJW001
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Don't take this wrong, but this has happened before. It is exactly what Hitler did in the Sudetenland. You will just have to get used to Putin being compared to Hitler. The historical parallel is exact.


You honestly believe what Putin is doing right now is comparable to what Hitler did in the 30's?

Thats your gods honest assessment?



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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Agit8dChop

DJW001
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Don't take this wrong, but this has happened before. It is exactly what Hitler did in the Sudetenland. You will just have to get used to Putin being compared to Hitler. The historical parallel is exact.


You honestly believe what Putin is doing right now is comparable to what Hitler did in the 30's?

Thats your gods honest assessment?


Do you even know what I am talking about? Here, learn some non-Soviet history:

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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Have to laugh at you, seen you on other threads about another country doing the same exact thing and saying it is ok but Russia doing it is bad,how do you get to that kind of reasoning?



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:47 AM
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Economic ties with the west?

I think Putin summed it up nicely.
The world and the economics of the world are intertwined. Nations depend on each other.
Sanctions against Russia have consequences on the countries dishing out sanctions.
Its the same for any country, its not just Russia. This is more western bs.



Yes they are, but there are sides and sorry to say Russia is not on the stronger side.




If you sanction America, you hurt the world & America economically.
If you sanction Russia, you hurt the world and Russia economically.


Direct war with Russia would force the BRIC nations to make a choice. Since China holds so much debt they wouldn't be seeing it repaid anytime soon. Russia would be hurt the most if international investors pull out their assets and lending in fear of instability.

Bankers usually get behind who is going to win, and indirectly fund their wartime efforts so they can be paid in return once its all over. The country that fights the war will see the money back in business contracts.

If it's a cold war, then it it's just more of what we've seen for the past 60 years or so. And Russia drove themselves into the ground during that one…



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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sosobad
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Have to laugh at you, seen you on other threads about another country doing the same exact thing and saying it is ok but Russia doing it is bad,how do you get to that kind of reasoning?


Please provide a link to one of these supposed other posts of mine. If you don't you will have zero credibility, which will impair your efficiency.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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dont bother! thanks for that chat!


I'll leave you be!
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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:56 AM
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boncho
Yes they are, but there are sides and sorry to say Russia is not on the stronger side.


very true, but to destroy ''russia's side'' will ultimately deal a fatal blow to the western economy.
the west may be stronger, but they are just as vulnerable in the right spots as russia is and Russia knows where those weak spots are.



Direct war with Russia would force the BRIC nations to make a choice. Since China holds so much debt they wouldn't be seeing it repaid anytime soon. Russia would be hurt the most if international investors pull out their assets and lending in fear of instability.


if it got ''that far'' investments and finances wont matter because all concept of international trade/money/relationships will be long gone. thats a apocalyptic scenario that I dont think anyone would let happen, unless they were hell bent on world war.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 07:58 AM
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I have news for you: nothing can destroy the American economy but Americans!



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:03 AM
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DJW001

Humiliatas

DJW001

Humiliatas
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What't w/the cut/paste? Use your own brain and you might realize (doubt it tho) that Putin is the master - he's a genius and obama is an absolute dunce, Putin will NEVER bow to the Zionist Jews and the IMf...he's his own man as well as being the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD!!!

Putin has already won without firing a shot.
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Yep... the Russians are getting ready to go after the Jews again. Cossacks!


Hardly .....Putin has never allowed the jews to take control in the first place. The Zionist's are not allowed any power whatsoever under the Putin regime and their destructive fag agenda has no place there. Praise God for leaders such as V Putin.
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Thank you for your brutal honesty. When you come back under a new name, please try to observe the T&C.


We know your the company snitch.......but I laugh at you.
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Putin is a communications genius. He acts judiciously and says exactly what needs to be heard at the time. He knows the west is behind the Ukraine uprising. Yes the Ukraine population was headed for revolt, its obvious. However the Zionist bankers made it possible and obviously planted their own people in positions of power.

Putin will not back down nor will he pull out till he has Crimea in his pocket, and is 100% certain that the larger Ukraine is not and will not be controlled by the Zionist bankers and the west. He needs Ukraine as a buffer against the corruption of the Zionist’s, without it Russia is vulnerable and could be taken down by radicals planted by the Zionist’s so as attempt a destabilization of Russia, inserted via Ukraine......

The banksters know that a major war scenario is the last resort. They would prefer to carry on the way they have, in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Destabilize to bring down the government and put in a new one backed by them.

However this time its different. Putin wont play their game. And Putin gets Ukraine of course - so he now has the banksters by the nuts. Do as you are told Europe, or no gas for you and your economy will collapse.

But the banksters cant let him get the whole of Ukraine………..so, they will choose WW3 rather than loose it all? Doubtful…..jews lose big time - V Putin wins and goes home with all the marbles - ha ha ha


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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:03 AM
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very true, but to destroy ''russia's side'' will ultimately deal a fatal blow to the western economy.
the west may be stronger, but they are just as vulnerable in the right spots as russia is and Russia knows where those weak spots are.



How would it. It would be a consolidation of power. Simple as that. The losers always end up broke. This is all for political power. Whoever wins has it. And not just that, you have to "win" the right way. Hitler could have taken over the world, but if he had, the reign wouldn't last long. Insurgency and rebellions.

The US has a long history of dabbling in control by influence, by railroading governments through subversion and putting in puppets that will work in their interest. If there is a full scale war, or even another cold war, it will just be this happening over and over until they have enough political power that nation leaders will simply say, "it's better to join em then fight em." This already happens…




if it got ''that far'' investments and finances wont matter because all concept of international trade/money/relationships will be long gone. thats a apocalyptic scenario that I dont think anyone would let happen, unless they were hell bent on world war.



That depends if it stays a cold war or there is direct conflict. Either or the prospects are not good for Russia. Nor the rest of the BRIC because direct conflict is far too dangerous these days. Which limits what they can even do in their struggle.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:07 AM
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Putin is a communications genius.


Then why can't he get his story straight? Are those Russian troops or Crimean troops? Is Crimea independent or not?



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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DJW001
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Putin is a communications genius.


Then why can't he get his story straight? Are those Russian troops or Crimean troops? Is Crimea independent or not?


Like I said "Putin is a communications genius."



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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Is Putin prepared for a possible "fifth column?"

www.abovetopsecret.com...



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