reply to post by Krazysh0t
Remember in my example I said that we are assuming humans have created the technology required to create a functioning A.I. So we can easily assume
that humans at this point understand consciousness enough to program it. I'm saying that in my example that we have created a being that is like us
down to the last detail, ALL except that it resides in a computer that we programmed. Does this being have consciousness?
I'm not sure.
It may be, that the simulation has to be as good as our own is, for consciousness to take hold. Or can be lesser and smaller for it to take hold.
At the same time, Scientists in 2004 have already grown a rat brain in a petri dish, hooked it up to a flight simulator (simulation) as its only
perception of reality, and this brain learned how fly the plane correctly even on the hardest levels with the worst weather conditions.
2004 Brain in a Dish Flight Simulator
Now mind you, there is a physical brain that exists there, and its reality is the simulation, which is an illusion. But its physical reality in the
petri dish may be reality and not-illusion. So this may be the limit to consciousness and simulations in that, you have to have a physical brain as
the interface which consciousness uses.
I have seen in dreams & meditations, devices like brains, that become interfaces for consciousness including loved ones using these to speak to us
from the afterlife, and simulations, and living people using them to connect to simulations. However then you still have consciousness itself, limits,
For now. Both of us and neither of us.
Perhaps subjectively. But as an absolute truth, either there is or isn't, meaning one side will be right and the other will be wrong.
OR by programming rules for A.I.'s development into the computer, like simulated evolution. That way, we don't have to know how these internal
functions work, we can let the program develop them independently while developing its A.I.
If consciousness is lacking in this evolution with the simulation, I don't think you will get things like Love, philosophy, enlightenment to develop
within such a system. That could be the ultimate proof
If they do, science hasn't found them yet. Just look at how science has handled the smallest units of mass. We've gone from Atoms; to protons,
neutrons, and electrons; then to quarks; and so on. Seems like every time we zero on the smallest unit of mass, we find something smaller.
Actually when they get down to strings, especially in Bose-Einstein Condensate, those smallest units of measure all become one non-local nondual
Oneness state. Something similar to Enlightenment in the individual. Coincidence or synchronicity?
Not exactly the same though, their philosophies may vary here or there but have the same overall idea. But that means that they aren't the same (ie
subjective). Of course even if they are the exactly the same, the fact that you and I are having this debate is proof enough that philosophies are
Which brings us back to subjectivity.....something that is true itself. The default mode of experiencing existence. Just because something is
subjective doesn't mean its not real and true.
What you just described there is learning language. A child doesn't have to know that the woman standing over it caring for it is called "mother"
without knowing that that is what she is.
Language corresponds to thought and uses thought to express itself. Before you talk, you have to think of what you will say. Or you can spontaneously
blurt out random words (from the mememory of thoughts).
Sure A child doesnt have to know the word or thought, but it is learned or the image is stored in the mind as a memory regardless. Each child by
default learns to think via superimposing labels over all of reality and themselves as well
Study Finds Emotions Can Be Mapped to the
Love is an emotion. Emotions are the result of chemical reactions in our brain. Now whether those chemicals being released is a natural reaction given
a set of circumstances your brain is interpreting or your consciousness forcing your body to release those chemicals to experience it is remaining to
Might want to read the above link. I'll quote the best part:
"We often think the emotions are something that happen only in the mind, but there's also lots of evidence suggesting that they also happen in our
bodies," says Nummenmaa. In order to understand whether anger is qualitatively different from happiness at the body level, and not just the mind
level, Nummenmaa had to design the right type of study
Furthermore there are too many anomalies to suggest Love comes from the heart. I'll give you an example from my own life. I recently visited a
retreat center in India, and there were about 50 people equally split between men/women. Well I started to notice my heart jumping and acting very
strangely (in a very mystical, but also physical way), every time I was around some of the retreat people.
After a few days of trial & error I figured out it was a girl who was effecting my heart this way. Now this girl is completely the opposite of what I
would ever go for, very nerdy, glasses, dressed bohemian style, sandals all the time, etc. Put it this way, since I got there, I never looked twice
and just skipped over her. So mentally and in the mind, I would never even approach this girl unless I needed help with my calculus, but this was so
new to me, I had to figure it out.
Well eventually I started to talk to her and told her what happened, and we started talking, getting to know each other (this whole time my heart is
just doing flips), and we ended up basically like 2 peas in a pod under very mystical almost soul-mate-ish kind of circumstances. She even showed me a
note to self she wrote for the new year, and one of what she asked for was a soul mate connection and all the features of what the guy would be like,
is exactly how I am......
...it was all heart first, brain later. Even the ancient texts say loves comes out of the heart, and in one of my worst break ups ever with the only
girl I ever truly loved, I could feel pain in my heart from the heart break.
By the way, my heart tests and check ups, ekg's & ct-scans all come up clean for heart health
Thinking is just a process of energy transferring between synapses in our brain, another chemical reaction. This being said, how does your
consciousness think without a body? CAN your consciousness think outside your body? Is consciousness just an illusion created by the chemical
reactions to help us handle reality?
When you were a child, you were merely aware...that original new-born awareness, is the primordial consciousness that you are, and within it is pure
intelligence and also the ability to think, though its a lot more different then thinking with the brain/mind.
Yes consciousness can think outside of the body and its a lot clearer, faster, better than the brain based thinking.
That is called instinct. Instincts in humans is something that is fiercely debated on whether we have them or not.
What I'm referring to is very simple, you feel and know directly that you are completely soaked. Maybe it is instinct and coincidentally many link
this to the gut, which also has brain neurons within it. Coincidentally, the gut is where you enter into mediation to reach the Absolute
Beingness....at least its one of the places, which means you are directly uncovering/experiencing the source of instinct, and you can argue that since
instinct includes and aspect of knowing, you are also uncovering the source of pure knowingness.
Did you know in Set theory, infinity can have different sizes? For instance, the set of all real numbers is larger than the set of all integers? You
were kind of on to this by discussing I Georg Cantor's infinite math. Here's a link: The Different Sizes of Infinity I bring this up so we can
transpose to a different discussion. What if there is a BIGGER infinite being than the infinite one you witnessed?
Yes I knew this all along, but really didn't want to get into the different infinity sizes because they came up more so within the confines of a
person counting infinity who stops to take a break. In that stopping, you have that set. While another counter never stops counting infinity gives you
So in a sense, I didn't really want to go there, because there is still one main infinity of which the different sizes are conglomerates of the one.
Though this too can be argued against, I bring up my next point that no matter the different sizes, they all have in the same characteristic of
"infinitiness" as a primal aspect tying them all together.
But what if it worked in steps? What if whatever you merged with could do the same thing with itself and merge with something even LARGER?
This does happen in Enlightenment, but it comes to an end. The drop of water (Awareness) merges with the Ocean (Infinite Source of
Awareness/Consciousness) and then that collapses into the Absolute Ground of Beingness which is simultaneously the manifested as well as the
unmanifested. This last aspect includes all things. Nobody has ever reported anywhere in the history of any literature anywhere on the world to have
merged into anything beyond this.
If there is something larger that can be merged with after this, then awesome. I hope I can be the first to do so and report back here a set of
blueprints for others!!! That would be the ultimate ride!!!!
You can witness celestial bodies outside of our planet by leaving your body? Quick question, what color is our sun?
Never really went towards that direction, just kind of probed around the neighborhood and some afterlife realms afterwards. But will saying everything
looks alot more crystal clear than with physical eyes, and you see more colors, like luminescent peacocks feathers or when gas is mixed with water and
sunlight hits the surface.
There is a website of an OBE'r who went up to and into it. I'll see if I can find the link