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None of them really do know. They think they do. But they do not.
reply to post by EviLCHiMP
Absolute proof isn't what you or I consider to be good enough. Absolute proof is proof that proves the concept without a shadow of a doubt. Seeing god in a flower is silly and anyone who says that is lying to themselves or mislabeling beauty. Do those same people see god in a plague victim? Both are supposed to be products of god, so if you are able to see god in something of beauty, you should be able to see god in the ugly and depressing as well.
Also hallucination isn't man made. People have been tripping off of mushrooms for a LONG time before scientists came around able to extract the psilocybin in it. Heck there are some theories that Moses and co were tripping while a pretty crazy storm was happening around them when he talked to god on Mt. Sinai and was handed the ten commandments, since a particularly hallucinogenic mushroom grows at the base of the mountain.
A number of ethnomycologists, including Terence McKenna, have suggested that most characteristics of manna are similar to that of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, notorious breeding grounds for insects, which decompose rapidly. These peculiar fungi naturally produce a number of molecules that resemble human neurochemicals, and first appear as small fibres (mycelia) that resemble hoarfrost. Psilocybin, the primary psychoactive molecule in the "Psilocybe cubensis" mushroom, has shown to produce spiritual experiences, with "personal meaning and spiritual significance" when test subjects were evaluated 14 months later. In a psilocybin study from 2006 one-third of the participants reported that the experience was the single most spiritually significant moment of their lives and more than two-thirds reported it was among the top five most spiritually significant experiences. A side-effect from psilocybin consumption is the loss of appetite. The speculation that manna was an entheogen, also paralleled in Philip K. Dick's posthumously published The Transmigration of Timothy Archer, is supported in a wider cultural context when compared with the praise of soma in the Rigveda, Mexican praise of teonanácatl, the peyote sacrament of the Native American Church, and the holy ayahuasca used in the ritual of the União do Vegetal and Santo Daime churches.edit on 4-3-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)
Stay well away from Catholics and there guilt tripping religion. Stay away from scientology as they will take all your money just to be member. Try something that does not ask for money. Maybe budissm or make your own religion that only you can be apart of. Taking the truths and secrets of spirituality and applying them to your life to make you a better person. And forget about hell of heaven. There are no such places. These places were invented to control the masses with fear.
I'm becoming depressed and slightly suicidal, I've been on the internet scanning videos and articles, searching libraries, and having face to face conversations with friends. I'm trying to find the truth to it all, But no matter what there's always a contradiction and counter argument to any belief system I drift towards (Including atheism). But it's so overwhelming when you look into all this new age occult teaching: Gnostics, Atlantis, sacred scrolls, etc. and this stuff goes on and on. Then there's the abrahamic religions which are just as complicated (Kamballah, Christ consciousness, Quran, Torah, The countless versions of the bible etc.) And who can forget about the hundreds of thousands of religions spread through ought the east? I'm considering dropping out of high school and becoming a bum just so i can dedicate my life to seeking truth. Then there's the whole new world order fiasco.
No, I will not resort to atheism. Not when i have had countless personal experiences with the law of attraction, astral projection, telekinesis, etc. Just no man. I want to just let it all go and let my intuition and heart guide me but can I really even trust that? I just don't understand how the majority of people can be so secure with their belief system when there's so much to this.
Debate, Advise, and discuss with me. I only seek truth.
Does the existence of the law of attraction disprove or kill the need to worship a monotheistic god?
Wouldn't this also include you, since "none of them really do know" which means you don't know either, which means all of your own advice is also coming from this "not knowing" therefore is null & void.
Stay well away from Catholics and there guilt tripping religion.
reply to post by Krazysh0t
apples & oranges.... the cat depiction is not self aware, nor like us, is it able to question, test, and find out if indeed its reality is an illusion. We can do so, and if we can figure out the source code, then we can also manipulate this reality to certain degrees.
When they do find out what consciousness is, they may say its nonlocal and prior to the brain. Then your statement would collapse.
There's nothing wrong with subjectivity. It is a real and true thing, part of reality and part of how reality is experienced. What I am saying, is that each person's subjectivity arises from a Universal Source that can be accessed & experienced.
It was symbolism to describe what the experience is like. Whether or not a drop of water is conscious or not is up for HUGE philosophical debates. Us being conscious individuals is really not that much up for debate except in the "this is all holographic illusion" theory.
Even that's a misnomer. That word "God" carries so much subjective weight...and yet the word of something is not the same as the actual something, so either way we are back to ineffable.
Would you rather directly experience winning a million dollars, or would you rather have the concepts, words, discussions of what that would be like?
I was referring to its nature relative to the subjective human experience from Earth. Universal traits can be described about it.
Well, if there is an Absolute existential truth, then by its very nature it is 100% true regardless of what we like or don't like to say.
If it is an illusion, then that means there is a real reality that is behind it
I want to just let it all go and let my intuition and heart guide me but can I really even trust that? I just don't understand how the majority of people can be so secure with their belief system when there's so much to this.