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reply to post by Krazysh0t
Also just like on earth there are hierarchies within a single world, countries, governments, police, rules/laws, limits, confines, etc, there seems to be something similar constructed or in place in the afterlife. Now which Path/Religion you go by as far as how it all works, is entirely up to your own discretion. I've seen Universities in the afterlife and various levels of heavens & hells all resting upon and within this absolute beingness I've been referring to. Maybe a conglomerate of what they all say of how it is after, seems to give a good idea, as well as when you read all the different near death experiences of people all over the world, which also give you a universal idea of how it all works.
And it seems, those who get full blown permanent Enlightenment, are the only ones the surpass all the rules/laws, limits, & hierarchies in the afterlife. But I digress.
I'm open to all possibilities, maybe consciousness will arise in the simulation and start trying to figure out who the programmers are and what the escape form that simulation is, but at this point I highly doubt it.
Reason may arise from simulated evolution. But without consciousness, there will e so much that will be lacking. We'll see eventually anyway. Humanity & Science will create this experiment eventually so it will have to be a wait & see deal. But my money is on consciousness not arising in the simulation unless there are actual physical brain/neurons connected to it like the rat brain flight simulator deal. We'll see.
What does science say? Is Subjectivity as the default human experience of life/reality factual or not?
I agree with your statement though. I think its brilliant where your stance is because everything is brought into question. This is one of the ways someone who enters a path via any of the maps/blueprints available, accesses the absolute beingness I speak of. You kind of question your own reality, thoughts, experience, subjectivity and start to deconstruct and unknow everything, and then SURPRISE, the absolute ground of being shows itself prior to all things.
They have brain scans of sign language people and it shows they also see the sign language and rely on memory and thought to interpret and communicate back. We can say 100% its all based on thought/memory in human communication. OF course if you start bringing what those who are enlightened say, that's a whole other thread. Imagine seeing everything naked and without filters of thought, memory, etc....
Also, I've been close a number of times to becoming a monk in a monastery and just giving a big middle finger to the archetypal constructs of having to be married with kids. You are just a non-conformist. Do what you feel is right, know thyself, question everything just like your doing, and if you want love you can manifest it
Agreed, but like I said, nowhere in history has something like what you refer to been found. So what the chances are that there maybe another deeper shift? I'm not sure.
Well everything looks way different when you are out of the body. White light in that state actually has all these luminescent peacock colors that intertwine into it and make it white. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what he saw as well.
Found the link......just giving you a warning, alot of stuff just sounds crazy far out there to the logic/reason base of the mind. But if read with openness that anything can be possible, then the guard of skepticism allows for a little bit of mental masterbation with all of these things
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Wait, so even after we die, we still have to deal with all the same BS in the afterlife? We can't just travel around the universe exploring whatever we want, seeing whatever we want? Man if that is the case, reincarnate me quick, at least then I can go back into blissful ignorance.
At first I started out being agnostic as just a way to express my religious beliefs. But as I explored the concepts and ideas more and more, I came to realize that agnosticism is MORE than just a religious belief. It is a life philosophy. I can apply agnosticism to just about any conspiracy theory on this website. It allows me to view all sides of an issue as objectively as possible (of course it is still impossible to ever be completely objective, but we can try to get close).
But I already mentioned people who use sign language. The people I am referring to are the ones that grow up isolated from ALL human contact and communication and manage to survive like that. We usually refer to them as feral. How do THESE people interpret their surroundings? Do they always just exist in the moment like other animals? They certainly have the capacity to think and reason since they are humans.
I am actually kind of a mix between a social butterfly and a loner. I'll go through phases (can last weeks or months) where I'll be perfectly happy being alone by myself and then there are other times (again can last weeks or months) where I'll be bored silly by myself and crave social interaction. This could be a result of my ADD, but I don't know or care. As a result of this lifestyle, I don't have many friends left, so there is that.
I understand. Though keep in mind, up until the mid-1800's the idea of giant lizards roaming the earth was unheard of because we hadn't discovered any dinosaur bones up until that point. Doesn't mean they didn't exist though.
You mean kind of like a prism appearance? Or like viewing the world through those 3-D glasses, but not looking at a 3-D television or movie?
Thank you again. By the way, I wanted to say that I am enjoying this discussion, you have opened my mind to new ideas, rehashed some ones I was familiar with, but for the most part have been a delight to debate with. I get so annoyed at trying to have a reasonable debate with someone only to have them think that I am personally attacking them or to constantly throw fallacious arguments at me.
reply to post by Krazysh0t
in one sense, yes the same BS, but at the same its still different. Look at your life here: you have free will to do whatever you want. Of course each action has ramifications and certain things require money. IF you kill, you get caught & go to jail. IF you want to retire to an island, you have to figure out the financial way to do so. There the broke, starving, homeless, and the other end of the spectrum the billionairs and 1%'ers, and all different circumstances in between those two ends.
Agreed. That's how I shifted, from Atheism, to a complete open, all possibilities explored agnosticism. Of course when I was offered an invitation to experience God......I took it, ran with it, and found it to be a real direct experience. Had I just rested too comfortably in my agnosticism and held off on the invitation, then I would have never know that experience and remained as I was.
Thought constructs as superimposes over reality would still arise even in feral children. They would associate the sound of a lion's roar from far away, with the memory and mental image of the lion from prior experiences of seeing the lion. Its a universal trait that thought eventually arises in all humans as a conceptual-construct mode of operation, plus in everyone there is a subconscious. Feral would be no different other than the concepts to thought would arise differently.
Actually, there are references to mystics and seers from 2000+ years ago that may have referenced dinosaurs. Also the first time the Atom was proposed, was by a Mystic Seer named Kanada, somewhere around 2,500 years ago. These folks who access Enlightenment can also access in a certain sense, all aspects of knowledge of what is, to certain degrees. If an Enlightened mystic figured out the Atom 2,500 years ago, and it took science 2,400 years to prove it.....you can see where this is heading. Likewise if he could see that its all atomic, he'd be able to perhaps see if there is anything prior to this absolute Being, or if there are other ones.
Yeah, when you leave the body, everything is very stereoscopic and extremely vivid without the filters of the body. Considering eyes only see in certain spectrums, ears only hear between 20hz-20,000khz, smell is very weak compared to a bloodhounds, etc.....no imagine all of these filters taken off and you can experience everything as it really is. Its a shock at first and when returning to the body, the experience through the body is so limited and almost prison-cell like
There is love, equality, respect, and fairness as a subset foundation. Perhaps this is why its enjoyable on both ends.
I still would highly recommend you try and get the experience of this absolute beingness. Just as a side note, I've been around the block a few times, have had money, success, traveled, various kinds of experiences with different women, love, brokenness, highs, lows, alcohol, substances, family, friends, loss, etc....and absolutely nothing has come close to the awe & grandness of the deeper aspects and beginnings of the aspects of enlightenment and accessing this absolute beingness. Of course this being a subjective opinion, you can take it how you want. But many who have tasted what I have, would agree to this notion.
Yes, I'm sure that the bell curve still exists in the afterlife. The universe is defined by it. It's more the laws, money, bs power grabs, taxes, banks, and other nonsense that I grow weary of and would like nothing to do with anymore. I thought the afterlife was supposed to be peaceful. If I have to continue to deal with bankers, I'd imagine it is anything but...
It's refreshing isn't it? Though it can tend to annoy others when you don't have a clear stance on anything.
You mean thinking in pictures instead of words? Kind of like hieroglyphs? That's cool and all, but this drifted away from my original point that thinking isn't taught. If these feral children/people are associating pictures in place of language for how they view the world, no one is teaching them to do it. They are doing it by themselves.
Did they also propose the quark? Black holes? Speed of light? Gravitational lensing? Cells? What about things that science hasn't even discovered yet (disregarding the metaphysics stuff, we are clearly already talking about that)?
That makes sense. Sounds overwhelming.
I have a friend who is into Buddhism and other Eastern religions and their concepts. We've had discussions like this many times before. Even though I'm an agnostic, I feel I'm allowed to have an opinion on what I think is the case, I just don't like to hold to one concept 100% and as I've told my buddy, your views are pretty close to what I think would be the most logical explanation for the divine.
I just don't like to hold to one concept 100%
the only hell I know of is wasting the day by sitting in a church on a beautiful day listioning to some man in white clothes preach absolute bs to you all in the name of god then to tell you your a bad person cause you did not donate anything to the charity basket. All I have to say to that is " Get Fkd you guilt tripping hypocrite. " to the priest. "If anyone has sinned here its you, manipulating the good people into judgemental thinking all in the name of god then driving fear into them with false tales of hell and heaven as a mechanism to keep them in subliminal control." "The god I know never asked me for money or charity of a physical material. God never asked me to give up anything for lent. Furthermore god would not ask me to manipulate anyone into doing anything that violates the natural free will of the heart or soul. " " the god I knoe whats me to ask questions, heaps of them. God wants me to make mistakes, sin, learn from my mistakes and sins, and most of all god wants me to live and enjoy life with no regrets and lastly appreciate life and it's experiences. " (im still ranting at the priest) " there for with all that being said its you who needs to re-evaluate what you are doing cause you certainly aunt helping these people with becoming one and understanding the devine. If anythink your putting restrictions in there thought process that stop them from having spiritual apifinys of realizations. " now I walk off so angry and frustrated. Grrrrrr
reply to post by _damon
This isn't about really about religion anymore, I wrote an improper title, This is about truth. Well, More like an attempt to disprove hell.