So they want our guns...

doorhandle


Fine have your guns, but just as long as they are well regulated, with strictly enforced permits. Some of the posts in this thread are terrifying, showing of your automatic guns as though they were motorbikes or something, scary and depressing.

Would you apply for a permit to buy books?

How about to practice whatever religion it is you find appropriate?

I had this in another thread, but have yet to have one anti-gun, pro-registration person reply to it.

Will try it here. . . . .

As a matter of fact, why not support government registration of all computers and laptops!

Child porn is an ugly horrible thing. This way, government can find the bad guys right away!

When you buy a computer, (there is a 3 week waiting period, background checks) you are given a government-issued IP address. It'll be tracked, and monitored and flagged if anything naughty comes to it or is done by it.

But if you're not doing anything bad, there will be nothing to worry about. (or aboot if you're Canadian)

Now different politicians come and go. Different ideologies come and go. A new administration may not like it if you are downloading Muslim sites or Christian sites, or Tea Party sites, or Fluffy Bunny sites.

But by then, it'll be too late.


But hey, it was to stop child pornography.

S&F
Amen Brother !
Congratz on 1775 !!

reply to post by SWCCFAN


Bra-fricken-o my friend! Congrats on the 1775th post and well done at that. I don't need to read the rest of the post up to this point. I'm sure the left came blazing in with there ra ra chants of whatever they want to call it. I'll leave it at this.

The recent aquisition of a certain caliber bullet for a certain caliber rifle and my Ruger .40 has made a sudden peace fall over my house. It matter not that I'm not there in case something happens, but that my fiance' knows how to load, chamber and fire upon until my arrival and if I die in that # case scenerio I know my family/fiance' can defend my daughter in my absence and I will wait for them in the next.

Heaven's forbid that a situation would ever happen that, I would need to use them against another. I'd rather die never using than to be the one w/o one in a time of crisis.

Best regards,

doorhandle
Although in principle I have nothing against people in any country owning firearms, as at the end of the day guns are just tools, machines, and you don't need a gun to kill someone. However, it does make it easier, less educated, imimpressionable people and guns don't mix.

Fine have your guns, but just as long as they are well regulated, with strictly enforced permits. Some of the posts in this thread are terrifying, showing of your automatic guns as though they were motorbikes or something, scary and depressing.

We have something like over 3,000 different laws already on the books for guns, plenty of states/cities have been trying to make owning a a gun extremely hard, and the vast majority of these mass shooters have passed background check when getting their gun. Let's also not forget that the vast majority of criminals get their guns by straw purchases which is already illegal and hard to stop unless the USA got rid of more rights and police procedures. The 2 major ways law enforcement can stop the majority of these mass shooting is by trampling on peoples medical rights who are trying to own a gun and making teachers/students/co workers spy on people who show warning signs, people of America don't want those things.

reply to post by SWCCFAN


I like the part where most of the statistics are most likely just made up ... gun propaganda.
I am not saying guns are bad, or they should be banned, but c'mon at least post stuff that is real.

For example. The UK has a violent crime rate that is quite high, but you must take into consideration that the UK consists of Ireland. England alone has a low violent crime rate, why? Because getting a gun is tough, only specified officers carry guns, the others travel in groups with batons. The only people who should be carrying a gun is special law enforcement, people with proper permits, and proper education, and well, of course criminals will always find a way.

strongfp
...and well, of course criminals will always find a way.

This sentence right here is why I will not turn mine in. Ever.

strongfp
reply to post by SWCCFAN

 

I like the part where most of the statistics are most likely just made up ... gun propaganda.
I am not saying guns are bad, or they should be banned, but c'mon at least post stuff that is real.

For example. The UK has a violent crime rate that is quite high, but you must take into consideration that the UK consists of Ireland. England alone has a low violent crime rate, why? Because getting a gun is tough, only specified officers carry guns, the others travel in groups with batons. The only people who should be carrying a gun is special law enforcement, people with proper permits, and proper education, and well, of course criminals will always find a way.

Along the tack of "Posting stuff that is real..." Ireland (northern) is part of the UK, yes? And thus has the same gun control laws as England, yes? Therefore if gun control worked to reduce crime, would not N. Ireland have the same crime rate as England since they both have the same laws, logically? Your example actually seems to prove that gun control laws do not work to reduce crime.

In addition, crime was much less in England 50 years ago with very little gun control than today with draconian gun control measures. If gun control reduced crime, logically, would not the inverse be true?

Of course your last comment is the salient one: "of course criminals will always find away." This is true and why gun control does not nor ever has reduced crime because it only affects those people who obey the law in the first place and those people are not the problem.

reply to post by NavyDoc


You do know Ireland as a whole was a hell hole for a very long time right?
They never even followed the laws of the UK and England. You points make no sense. The UK only has high violent crimes because in the last 20 years car bombs and random killings were a daily occurrence.

strongfp
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

You do know Ireland as a whole was a hell hole for a very long time right?
They never even followed the laws of the UK and England. You points make no sense. The UK only has high violent crimes because in the last 20 years car bombs and random killings were a daily occurrence.

Of course it does. Ireland was a hell hole IN SPITE of the gun control laws which were and are very strict.

The UK now has a high crime rate, right now, this year, compared to the years before the gun control acts were enacted. Not car-bombs--crime. Gun control has not made the UK safer. This is the fact of the matter.

strongfp
reply to post by SWCCFAN

 

I like the part where most of the statistics are most likely just made up ... gun propaganda.
I am not saying guns are bad, or they should be banned, but c'mon at least post stuff that is real.

For example. The UK has a violent crime rate that is quite high, but you must take into consideration that the UK consists of Ireland. England alone has a low violent crime rate, why? Because getting a gun is tough, only specified officers carry guns, the others travel in groups with batons. The only people who should be carrying a gun is special law enforcement, people with proper permits, and proper education, and well, of course criminals will always find a way.

Actually, your example is pretty inaccurate. First off the UK doesn't include all of Ireland in its crime statistics. And the only reason I give they much leeway is because I haven't been able to get a decisive answer one way or the other on whether the UK crime stats inure N. Ireland which is all of 6 counties. But while were at it let's look at the crime stats for Ireland-

www.nationmaster.com...

If you take the time to read through the numbers you will find that crime
in Ireland is significantly lower than in England for example. And by the way, it's actually more difficult to obtain firearms in Ireland than in the UK. Hell, there are more handguns in the county I live in in Rural upstate NY than there are in all of ireland( less than 2000 in private citizens hands).

www.gunpolicy.org...

I find it rather ironic that your post rails against made up statistics and then you proceed use incorrect or made up stats to support your supposition that other posters have created stats despite having nothing more than a gut feeling that it is true. So much for deny ignorance eh? It took me longer to type this than to research the info I linked.

Great News!



Just thought I'd share that one for the mis-informed anti-gun idiots out there.

If you want to complain about our right to keep and bear arms learn about them first or you will come across like this fine Democrat leader you guys elected in California :

reply to post by strongfp


How many IRA or associated bombing have there been in the last 20 years? Seriously, the Easter Peace accord was signed 16 years ago so how much violence
Was committed by the Irish in the last 2 decades? You keep throwing out random factoids with nothing to support them. It's almost funny.

reply to post by peter vlar


I never made any claims with statistical numbers in it. I was stating facts that people are ignoring.
And also, just to set the record, I am not against gun ownership, or for strict gun control. But I do feel people need to be more careful with such a tool. I have a rifle, but the bolt and bullets are kept separate from the actual body of the gun, because I don't want someone accidentally shooting someone or it getting into the wrong hands. I use it for an emergency that could happen one day, ie, I need to hunt, or heaven forbid, war breaks out. And I have the proper paper work and licenses, and even took a pro active approach to educate myself on this useful device.

Northern Ireland is only settling down now, and police statistics are useless or a haze in the last 30 or so years. You honestly think there are only 2000 hand guns in Ireland? No, there is most likely 2000 registered guns.
And as for England, it's strict gun laws have made it a MUCH safer place.

And just to prove you all that England and the UK ISN'T that high on the scale. Lets take a look at this. Also, northern ireland has slack gun laws.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yea, yea Wikipedia, if you don't believe it, just go scour the footnotes.

peter vlar
reply to post by strongfp

 

How many IRA or associated bombing have there been in the last 20 years? Seriously, the Easter Peace accord was signed 16 years ago so how much violence
Was committed by the Irish in the last 2 decades? You keep throwing out random factoids with nothing to support them. It's almost funny.

Actually, there is still violence, and car bombing plots being foiled today. So, no it hasn't stopped.

www.cbc.ca...

0rbital
It's apparent that without your guns you are a very scared people. Sad.

Ha! I don't even own a gun, not yet, but I fully support the rights of every other person here to have one. Because they have their guns, I am safer and more secure in all my other rights, including my own right to own a gun when the time comes.

Don't talk about that which you do not understand.

doorhandle
Although in principle I have nothing against people in any country owning firearms, as at the end of the day guns are just tools, machines, and you don't need a gun to kill someone. However, it does make it easier, less educated, imimpressionable people and guns don't mix.

Fine have your guns, but just as long as they are well regulated, with strictly enforced permits. Some of the posts in this thread are terrifying, showing of your automatic guns as though they were motorbikes or something, scary and depressing.

Why? As you say, they are just tools. Why should anyone have to be ashamed of what they own? Why shouldn't they talk about it and discuss the various merits of this or that grip, brand or style? You wouldn't have this problem if they actually were showing of their motocycles, cars or shoes, so what makes guns different?

doorhandle

camaro68ss

0rbital
reply to post by neo96

 

It's more apparent that without your guns you don't feel like real men.

With my guns, i can provide a weeks worth of food in only a few hours. you know, provide food to my family, like a real man does. not just stopping by your local supermarket and purchase foods like the rest of the sheeple. see what happens when the trucks stop running. Lets see if your a real man when your food is no longer handed to you.

edit on 4-3-2014 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

Seriously? We are 'sheeple' for using supermarkets? So your idea of everyone wandering around shooting deer is a sustainable solution for a planet of 7 billion? A 'real man' would understand this.ok.

It's one thing to use a supermarket; it's quite another to think that the supermarket will always be there for you to buy your food from. The average supermarket only carries a 3-day supply of food. If something should ever cause a widespread disruption of the logistics and shipping networks in this country, the major urban centers will begin to starve very quickly. There just isn't enough food for long-term survival without resupply from the outside.

No, there aren't enough deer, turkey or other wild critters to feed the population of the nation long-term, but for a short-term stop-gap for those with the tools and knowledge, they will have a definite advantage over those who sit inside the urban centers waiting for semis that may never come.

When the zombie apocalypse is nigh ?

Anti gunners will 'RUE' the day they banned full auto weapons, and hi capacity magazines ! ! ! ! ! !

FTW

reply to post by 0rbital


So what you are saying is that you ARE indeed an alien, which can; not only talk to but can control a bullet from the gun of a lunatic shooting it at you? This I must see. Please upload this video, game changer for sure.