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BREAKING: Russia Tells Ukraine: Surrender By 5:00 AM Tomorrow, Or Face Military 'Storm'

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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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MysterX
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Agreed.

A lot of it is being slung (naturally), not you OP, but your sources.

Russia has since denied any deadline or ultimatum has been given, so it's a wait and see thing really isn't it.



Russia 'demands Ukrainian navy surrender'


Russian forces that have surrounded the military bases in Ukraine’s autonomous region of Crimea have given ultimatum to Ukrainian navy forces there to surrender, according to the headquarters of the Ukrainian navy in Sevastopol.

The claim, which requested the forces to surrender by 0300:GMT on Tuesday or face a military assault, has been denied by Russian sources.

A commander at the headquarters confirmed to Al Jazeera the ultimatum from Russian forces to lay down their weapons, adding that the order includes two main bases in the region and ships patrolling the bays of Kurinaya and Streletskaya.

The headquarters did not confirm if the ultimatum only includes the navy or the whole Ukrainian military forces in Crimea.

Al Jazeera correspondents in Kiev and Crimea say that the ultimatum is likely to include the army.

Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel-Hamid, reporting from Crimea, said she did not get the impression that the armed forces were considering surrendering.

"A commander that talked to us said they only received orders from Kiev," she said.

Conflicting statements

Russia's Interfax news agency initially also reported that Russia's Black Sea Fleet in Crimea had told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender.

The ultimatum, Interfax said, was issued by Alexander Vitko, the fleet's commander, quoting a Ukrainian Defence Ministry as the source.

Later, Interfax quoted a Russian official at the fleet's headquarters as saying that they have not issued an ultimatum.

"This is complete nonsense," the military official was quoted as saying.


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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 06:53 PM
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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 06:58 PM
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Ukraine letter to United Nations outlines nation's situation


A draft law on annexation of the Crimea was registered today in the Russian Parliament.

Yesterday, 2 March, trying to capture the armory of Ukrainian Air Tactical brigade (near
Sevastopol) Russian Armed Forces used stun grenades against Ukrainian soldiers. As a result
Ukrainian officer sustained brain-contusion and shock and was brought to medical facility.

Tonight, Russian Air Forces aircrafts twice illegally entered Ukrainian airspace
threatening air security. These incidents received proper reaction from Ukrainian Air Forces, as
Ukrainian aircraft immediately took off towards violators and was in the alert zone ready to act
against violators of State airspace border, which allowed avoiding serious consequences.

Today Ukrainian military base in Kerch was surrounded by Russian soldiers.

Russian Military blocked Ukrainian military units in Novoozernoe, Perevalnoye and
Feodosia, demanding to surrender and seal arms and ammunition, while promising to ensure
security with submachine gunners of Russia. Ukrainian navy troops refused to comply with the
Russians orders.

Ukrainian Navy ships have been blocked in Sevastopol Bay by Russian Navy vessel KIL-158, seagoing tugs and patrol boats of the RF Navy. The representatives of the Russian Navy delieverd an ultimatum to the personnel of
corvette "Ternopil" and command ship "Slavutich" to lay down their arms until 18.00 March 3
and leave the ships otherwise they will open tile fire. Ukrainian sailors clearly stated the oath of
allegiance to Ukrainian people.

Today the first attempt has been made to capture the Ukrainian Navy Headquarters by
armed men, and the other attempt is expected.
Russian Special Forces continue to capture the military and border facilities in the
Crimea, offering Ukrainian army to voluntary surrender until 18.00 today.
In Feodosia City the Russian Kozaks groups have been capturing all administrative
buildings and started to distribute the arms to civil volunteers to form the self-protection
groups.



Ukrainian Border Service headquarters in Crimea has been captured and blocked by
Russian troops. At noon, Russian soldiers with military trucks broke down the doors, destroyed
workstations and communications equipment.

There has been drastic increase of pressure from Russian military on Ukrainian border
guard officers. During seizures of border guard units there was brutal use of physical force,
threat of weapon and menace. Professionals of Russian Special Forces try to perform
psychological pressure on border guard officers and in categorical form demand to obey to the
new authorities of the Crimea Autonomous Republic. They actively make attempts to crimp
personnel, call for information on investigation-operational divisions and information on
operating personnel.

Russian military forces continue implementing their plan of complete blockade of
communications in Crimea, in order to cut communication of Ukrainian Armed Forces in
Crimea with General Staff.

Russian military nearly every half hour commit provocations in Crimea.
A series of provocations were carried out over the past few days, which would aim to
legalize the presence of Russian military contingent in Crimea.

In contrary, Ukrainian armed forces are protecting their staffs, military units and bases,
and are not responding to any provocations that occurred over the past days.
Due to blockade of all state institutions in Crimea by the Russian Armed Forces, these
institutions are almost unable to function properly, which creates social tensions in population.

Today, the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine officially informed about the rapid
increase in number of military machines and equipment on the Russian territory along the
Eastern border of Ukraine, namely Kharkiv, Lugansk and Donetsk regions. It includes, 9 trains
of military equipment (APC) unloaded from Voronezh side, 5 armoured vehicles (APC) and 2
mechanical transport vehicles from Bochkove- Leninskoye with field kitchen.

Governor of Rostov region of Russia ordered to deploy camps in Russian districts
bordering Ukraine.

Such activities of Russian Armed Forces indicate their preparation for a possible
invasion by Russia into Ukraine not only in Crimea, but also in to Eastern regions in Ukraine.


As of today, since 24 February, approximately 16,000 Russian troops have been
deployed in Crimea by the military ships, helicopters, cargo airplanes from the
neighboring territory of the Russian Federation. The Russian troops keep taking their
attempts to seize, block and control crucial governmental and military objects of Ukraine
in Crimea: the Parliament of Crimea, all civil and military airports, means of
communications, radio stations, customs service, military and coastguard bases,
Headquarters of the Ukraine's Navy in Crimea. All main roads are blocked.

Also a large number of Russian military troops is ready for being redeployed from Novorosiysk.
Access to the Black Sea is blocked by 10 Russian Navy vessels, including vessels of Baltic Fleet.


Permanent Mission of Ukraine will continue to inform all Permanent and Observer Missions to the
United Nations on the latest developments of the situation in Ukraine. Actions by the Government of Ukraine for normalization of the situation in Crimea The leadership of Ukraine takes appropriate measures aimed at political resolution of theconflict with the participation of the UN, OSCE and other international organizations.


The Law of Ukraine "On State Language Policy", adopted in 2012 (protecting languages
of national minorities) is still in effect. Acting President used his right no to sign draft adopted
by the Parliament. As of now, Russian language is as protected as it was before on all territory
of Ukraine, particularly and especially in Crimea.

Acting President Turchynov has mandated to establish a worldng group for "immediate
elaboration of a new Law of Ukraine "On Language", to consist of all ethnic groups and
national minorities.


Yesterday, highly respected persons have been appointed as Governors of Eastern and
Southern regions of Ukraine. All of them are locals of those regions, and not members of any
political party. It was an important step to calm down situation.


Members of new Ukrainian Government come from different regions of Ukraine,
including Eastern and Southern regions. These people will duly represent interests of those
regions. 4 (four) ministers of Ukrainian Government were born in Russia.


Despite existing economic problems, Government of Ukraine has provided necessary
financing to the population of Crimea in order to avoid social tensions.


Acting President Turchynov supported the establishment of the "Council of National
Trust." He stressed that the country will always protect rights of its people "no matter what
language they speak, no matter where they live, and no matter what church they go to."



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 07:02 PM
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Crimea Navy chief gets into heated exchanges with officers as he tries to convince them to defect


The former head of the Ukrainian Navy got into heated exchanges with officers Monday as he tried to convince others to defect and join the pro-Russian authorities in Crimea.

Adm. Denis Berezovsky, who is facing a treason investigation after declaring his allegiance to the Crimean government, was dismissed from his post on Sunday.

At a Ukrainian naval command facility in Sevastopol Monday morning, Navy officers were addressed by both Berezovsky and their newly appointed chief, Serhiy Haiduk, according to The Guardian.

The officers cheered as Haiduk announced Berezovsky’s dismissal, but tensions escalated when Berezovsky tried to entice them to join the newly proclaimed Crimean fleet.


An awesome highlight of the exchange -


“Viktor Yanukovych is the legitimately elected president of Ukraine,” he told them, claiming that there would be no breach of oath or repercussions if they decided to serve Crimea. “The seizure of power in Kiev was orchestrated from abroad.”

But an officer lashed back, drawing applause from the crowd as he said “In what way exactly did foreign powers intervene in Kiev, compared to the way they are intervening now in Crimea?”

Berezovsky responded by telling the officers not to ask “provocative questions,” The Guardian reports.


The same response as the Russian Ambassador when asked to produce evidence to support the claims they are making - they can't produce the supporting evidence and summarily dismiss the question.


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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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Show me where President Yanukovych of Ukraine was removed lawfully, going cross-eyed
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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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all2human
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Show me where President Yanukovych of Ukraine was removed lawfully, the article you linked had no such information: rt.com...
nice try though lol



RT Ukraine Timeline


Monday, February 24

15:46 GMT:

Ukraine’s parliament voted to allocate approximately 1.96 billion hryvinas (approximately 218 million dollars) from the state budget to hold early presidential elections, slated to be held on May 25. The measure received 352 affirmative votes out, far surpassing the 226 required for it to pass. The chairman of the parliamentary budget committee Eugene Heller said the money would be reallocated to the election from other government programs.



15:35 GMT:

The Ukrainian parliament has voted to oust judges from the country’s constitutional court for violating their oath of office by allowing for the constitution to be amended in 2010. The upper house of the Ukrainian parliament voted overwhelmingly in support of the measure. In September 2010, Ukraine's constitutional court increased the powers of recently ousted President Viktor Yanukovych by reversing a reform introduced in 2004, which limited presidential powers in favor of parliament. The court said the move had been unconstitutional, effectively returning the country to its previous status as a presidential republic. Deputies, however, believe the constitutional court violated its oath of office in doing so.



Source


2004 and 2010 amendments and 2014 return to 2004 amendments[edit]

For more details on this topic, see Imperative mandate (provision in the Constitution of Ukraine).

On December 8, 2004, the parliament passed Law No. 2222-IV amending the constitution.[5] The law was approved with a 90 percent majority (402 ayes, 21 nays, and 19 abstentions; 300 ayes required for passage) simultaneously with other legislative measures aimed at resolving the 2004 presidential election crisis. It was signed almost immediately in the parliamentary chamber by the outgoing President Leonid Kuchma and promulgated on the same day.

These amendments weakened the power of the President of Ukraine; she/he lost the power to nominate the Prime Minister of Ukraine and this became the task of the parliament solely.[6] The President could only appoint the Minister of Defence and Foreign Minister.[6] The President also lost the right to dismiss members of the Cabinet of Ukraine but gained the right to dissolve parliament.[6] If no coalition in parliament could be formed to appoint a Prime Minister the President would have no choice but to call new parliamentary elections.[7]

The 2004 constitutional amendments were passed in the Parliament only with limited consultation and discussion between political forces, in the context of the Orange Revolution. They therefore attracted criticism from several internal (Ukrainian political parties) and external bodies (the Council of Europe, the European Parliament and the Venice Commission).[8]

The amendments took force unconditionally on January 1, 2006.[7] The remaining amendments took force on May 25, 2006, when the new parliament assembled after the 2006 elections.

On October 1, 2010, the Constitutional Court of Ukraine overturned the 2004 amendments, considering them unconstitutional.[9][10] The Court had started to consider the case on the political reform in 2004 under a motion from 252 coalition lawmakers regarding the constitutionality of this reform of July 14, 2010.[11][12][13] The 2010 nullification decision was highly controversial. The Council of Europe's Human Rights Commissioner received several reports alleging that the resignation of four judges in the run-up to the decision occurred as a result of extensive pressure by the executive.[14] On November 18, 2010 The Venice Commission published its report titled The Opinion of the Constitutional Situation in Ukraine in Review of the Judgement of Ukraine's Constitutional Court, in which it stated "It also considers highly unusual that far-reaching constitutional amendments, including the change of the political system of the country - from a parliamentary system to a parliamentary presidential one - are declared unconstitutional by a decision of the Constitutional Court after a period of 6 years. ... As Constitutional Courts are bound by the Constitution and do not stand above it, such decisions raise important questions of democratic legitimacy and the rule of law".[15]

On February 21, 2014 the parliament passed a law that reinstated the December 8, 2004 amendments of the constitution.[16] This was passed under simplified procedure without any decision of the relevant committee and was passed in the first and the second reading in one voting by 386 deputies.[16] The law was approved by 140 MPs of the Party of Regions, 89 MPs of Batkivshchyna, 40 MPs of UDAR, 32 of the Communist Party, and 50 independent lawmakers.[16]


Ukraine's President Voted Out, Flees Kiev

Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich removed from office, but refuses to resign

Ukraine Parliament Removes Viktor Yanukovich, Who Flees Kiev In "coup"

BREAKING – Ukraine’s parliament 328 – 0 votes to impeach President Yanukovych and call elections for 25 May



Viktor Yanukovich was lawfully removed from office by the government of Ukraine.

Now, please explain how his removal is unlawful. Please cite the sources that support the claim. For what it is worth Russia has also failed to produce documents that detail his removal as being unlawful. Their tactic is to just state the government in Ukraine is unlawful. the problem with that tactic is all members who were elected are the same people who voted to impeach and remove him.

Just to reiterate - the lawfully elected members of the Ukrainian government voted, under Ukrainian law, to remove him as President. The Ukrainian laws used are listed and are still in effect.

Ignoring them, as Russia is doing, does not make their (Ukrainian government) actions illegal. Nor does it make the government illegal either. Maybe Russia should have educated themselves on Ukrainian law prior to making their baseless claims.
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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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A legal gap remains.. According to the terms of an EU-brokered peace deal finalized on February 21, Yanukovych was due to sign a measure returning Ukraine to its 2004 constitution. (In 2010, Yanukovych restored the country's 1996 constitution, which hands greater power to the presidency.
Yanukovych, however, failed to sign the measure. The omission appears to leave Kyiv in the kind of legal limbo that may prove fodder for future arguments against the current government transition.
www.rferl.org...
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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 08:32 PM
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all2human
a legal gap remains. According to the terms of an EU-brokered peace deal finalized on February 21, Yanukovych was due to sign a measure returning Ukraine to its 2004 constitution. (In 2010, Yanukovych restored the country's 1996 constitution, which hands greater power to the presidency.
Yanukovych, however, failed to sign the measure. The omission appears to leave Kyiv in the kind of legal limbo that may prove fodder for future arguments against the current government transition


The agreement cannot circumvent Ukrainian law, which is what was used.

The agreement called for elections in December. The people of Ukraine wanted May.

The elections were set for May.

Also, the information provided discusses the manner in which the Constitution was reverted back. That action was also lawful under Ukrainian law. It did not need a signature.

And if you really want to start using Ukrainian law, then lets look at the Crimea, who is not authorized to request outside forces. that authority, under the agreement, resides with the government in Kiev. The request for Russian interference is not lawful.

Something Russia realized when called out on it, which is why the mysterious unsigned letter from the former President of Ukraine all of a sudden showed up at the UN today. The Russian Ambassador tried to use it, and when questioned for details got irrigated. The letter is not even signed by the former President of Ukraine..

Russia cannot defend its actions on the diplomatic front. They have refused several requests to meet with the Ukrainian government. They have failed to produce evidence supporting their claims in Ukraine / Crimea. They have been called out on Crimea's unlawful request for help. They are being called out on the letter from the former Ukrainian President in light of the Crimea issue.

All Russia has left is armed confrontation. Putin is being called out and is unwilling to accept that. He is an arrogant ass who thought the people of the region would behave as if they were still members of the Soviet Union. Putin thinks Russia has the same military might as the former Soviet Union.

Resolution is for him to withdraw Russian forces and respect Ukrainian sovereignty / territorial integrity.


From your own source -

Yanukovych has taken several steps that appear to undermine his own faith in his presidential legitimacy -- among them, abandoning his office and recording an official statement of resignation.

But the 63-year-old leader, having decamped Kyiv, later retracted his resignation and asserted his role as head of state, calling the vote "illegal." "I'm not going to leave Ukraine or go anywhere. I'm not going to resign. I'm a legitimately elected president," he said.

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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 08:41 PM
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ah, the melodious voice of the song bird himself



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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I don't think the agreement was intended to circumvent Ukrainian law, but rather change the constitution in order to support it, i do however stand corrected, there indeed was a vote, and it seems legit
thx for the info

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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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The "DeadLine" is past....

What is happening now?



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 10:08 PM
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xuenchen
The "DeadLine" is past....

What is happening now?



Ukrainian media is quiet at the moment..



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 10:23 PM
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Danbones
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ah, the melodious voice of the song bird himself


That's crazy... I almost phrased my original response in the same style/manner. I was gonna go with, "If you listen close enough you can already here the calls of the rare Arizona chest-puffer".



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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xuenchen
The "DeadLine" is past....

What is happening now?



I believe the ultimatum was false to begin with. Russia never made such a claim, but I do wonder where it originally came from.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 10:29 PM
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Russia gave the Ultimatum, the Ultimatum has passed, I think there has been reports of APC movement according to Twitter. It looks like Putin is going to ignore the West (which has basically responded with economic sanctions) and plow right on in.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 10:32 PM
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sheepslayer247

xuenchen
The "DeadLine" is past....

What is happening now?



I believe the ultimatum was false to begin with. Russia never made such a claim, but I do wonder where it originally came from.


I have no doubt it was real, but only as a psyop by Russia to get Ukrainians to lay down their weapons. The intimidation tactic seemed to have worked in many other military facilities. Think about a drawn out game of chess, where you occupy the destructive force of the queen by keeping the king in check, all the while eliminating other minor pieces.

Same strategy.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 11:31 PM
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all2human
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I don't think the agreement was intended to circumvent Ukrainian law, but rather change the constitution in order to support it, i do however stand corrected, there indeed was a vote, and it seems legit
thx for the info

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You just surprised me with that, and for what it is worth, earned my respect.

Thank you.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 11:13 AM
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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:43 PM
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Russia did not give the ultimatum (it might have been one of their officers in Crimea showing off, but that in itself is uncertain)

Russia has officially been denying this ultimatum for the past 24 hours yet you choose to believe media outlets.
Why?


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posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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Im calling psyop on this one, Russia is making the US look like they are trying to justify invasion. This goes back to WW2, the Nazis(who run the US currently) and Russia.



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