reply to post by PhoenixOD
what makes you think the thousands of people who report ufo sightings are crazy? What makes you think the people from the military that came forward
with knowledge in that area are attention hungry fakers?
What makes you think the government has such technology...
Are you using delusional logic of a selective narrow mindset?
Might you be doing the same thing? I do not think thousands of people are crazy. They all saw something. What, exactly? Read the reports and you'll
find the vast majority of reports are of lights in the sky and daylight disks. Very few are of discernible objects, and the fact that these very few
are not blurry to the point of indistinction and point to some sort of physical, manufactured object does not automatically translate to "aliens from
space." In fact, it's a bit of a mystery why people translate lights in the sky to "aliens" with no proof whatsoever. THAT is "delusional logic
of a selective narrow mindset" that insists anything not immediately indentifiable must be aliens. I would submit that this is a cultural phenomenon
based on our own mindset. A few hundred years ago we would have seen witches and fairies. We have no idea what we are really seeing, so we place our
own cultural definitions upon them. "Space aliens" fits neatly into the archetype.
Once we get beyond all the "thousands of people" who haven't seen much really relevant to the discussion anyway, regardless of the fact they are
used as "evidence," we get to strange territory: abductions, people who report conversations with aliens, etc. The problem here is not that some of
them MAY be true, but the sure knowledge that many of them are NOT. If you insist on believing people like Truman Bethurum or Billy Meier, just as
examples, then I would submit that it is you who are delusional. That's not to say that some people are not reporting honestly, but we have the added
complication of how deeply they have been mired in the rabbit hole as well. Read Jacque Vallee's "Messengers of Deception" for an in-depth
discussion of the very real possibility that we have on our hands a phenomenon that would very much like us to believe in aliens from space. Are
"they" telling the truth? It's not that easy a question to resolve. It's terribly naïve for us to think we've solved the whole thing.
So we come to the knowledge of governments and "disclosure." Once again we have very little real knowledge along with governments which resist any
sort of disclosure as a matter of course. One very good reason for this is that quite a few of these "UFOs" floating out there are really government
secret projects. We know this because they've said so. They have told us that it was just as easy pretending the SR-71, for example, was a UFO
because they did not want to disclose that they had this thing flying around. It was easy to let the public imagination run wild. I believe (though I
do not know for certain) that the triangle craft fall into this category. So the bottom line here is that if military secrets are involved, the
governments will clam up and will also encourage the answer to be "UFOs" because it is in there interests to do so.
So the Bottom Line here is that you are left with a handful of evidence and a few really good stories. Along with that you have what in summary can be
called, "plausible deniability." This is a VERY powerful issue. During Iran-Contra people looked at how drifty Reagan appeared to be and thought it
was plausible that he did not know about this plot. During Watergate people thought it was plausible Nixon didn't know about the break-in--until the
tapes gave him away. And during WW II when reports leaked out of Germany about the concentration camps where millions were being slaughtered, it was
dismissed as Allied propaganda. And this was seen by people in Allied countries as plausible because, of course, no one would ever do such a thing in
a modern advanced society.
So we're faced with Plausible Deniability, and for MOST PEOPLE that is perfectly acceptable because most people, quite frankly, couldn't be bothered
with aliens when their main concern is getting a job and feeding their family, getting to work on time, taking care of their babies, and simply
"pursuing happiness" in the way they see fit, whether YOU think that is appropriate and meets your standards of conduct or not. They don't care
about aliens and they also think people who do are just a little crazy themselves. And serious attempts to force the issue have failed dismally. Those
"National Press Club Disclosure" events, whether you believe every witness or not, have been greeted by a dull thud by the populace as a whole.
Now, did the governments CREATE this dull thud by planting these attempts with disinformation, shills, paid informants, and all manner of dirty
tricks? Now of course the proponents will claim so, like Greer claimed his Press Club conference was torpedoed by 9/11, but it amounts to a flat
excuse. Whether the thud was caused by dirty tricks or not, it was still a thud. Mission accomplished by either dirty tricks or ineptness on the part
of the supporters. It doesn't really matter. It's a done deal. Attempts at disclosure, some spending millions of dollars, have been greeted by a
Nobody cares. The MSM doesn't care. Whether it is Der Spiegel or the NYT they will treat the subject with tongue-in-cheek and derision. The only
people who care are people who come onto places like ATS, and what do THESE people believe? More crazy stuff. They believe 9/11 was a government plot.
They believe in Illuminati plots. They believe in Chemtrails, for God's sake, even though no one can figure out what chemical is sprayed or what it
does. They believe in a litany of crazy stuff that says a whole lot more about themselves than it does about reality. If they get a hangnail, they
blame the bankers.
So when someone comes along and says, "Aliens have landed and I have the proof because thousands of people saw lights in the sky and they aren't all
crazy!" then the average person is going to say, "No, of course they aren't crazy, but you are." because you have somehow inexplicably turned
"thousands of lights!" into "aliens from space!" which is, frankly, crazy, and makes you one step from the loony bin. Further, in times past we
would have put you there, but we don't have room for such nonsense at the moment, so you're free to go and act stupidly as long as you don't hurt
anyone. Besides, you acting stupidly might prove useful.
And THAT'S where "Disclosure" is today, and if you think differently, you're the one who is delusional.