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12 Years a Slave to be part of US national curriculum

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posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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dfens
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Is it because it is culturally relevant or is it because it is a very long mini-series that prevents interaction and promotes agenda?

I personally don't know any slave owners. Do you? Do they keep a certain stock that they like?


Not sure how to reply to your post.

I know my kids had good friends from grade school on and that, those friendships ended in high-school.
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posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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I'm sorry.
My point is along the lines that we are more the same than we are different.
When the distinction is made for whatever reason, it diminishes us all.

That being said, I would have loved to watch MacGuyver or Roots to pass away the day at school. Unfortunately they were trying to teach us something.



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 12:12 PM
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My kids,, now adults, told me how uncomfortable watching roots was for everyone involved.

I truly understand why they chose to show it ever year, ten through twelve, but it has created divisions.

The double edged sword
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posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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There are other slave type movies that are much more "raw" than Roots or 12 Years a Slave but of course they won't recommend those.



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Since you got your source from Wikipedia, we all know the veracity of that source. As it pertains to the capture, demoralization and marginalization of slaves in the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, there were many other attributing factors involved, such as manipulation, deception and tribal instigation. It is not cookie cutter simple as you are painting that picture.


The Transatlantic slave trade peaked in the late 18th century, when the largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa. These expeditions were typically carried out by African kingdoms, such as the Oyo empire (Yoruba), the Ashanti Empire,[120] the kingdom of Dahomey,[121] and the Aro Confederacy.[122] Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fierce African resistance. The slaves were brought to coastal outposts where they were traded for goods. A significant portion of African Americans in North America are descended from Mandinka people.[123] Through a series of conflicts, primarily with the Fulani Jihad States, about half of the Senegambian Mandinka were converted to Islam while as many as a third were sold into slavery to the Americas through capture in conflict.[123]


In any case, there are many, many historians and especially African scholars who will vehemently disagree with your assessment of who sold what to whom into slavery.

Check other credible sources to get a more rounded view. Educate yourself and be more responsible in putting stuff out in public that, in many cases, are highly disputed accounts of what really occurred.



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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This whole thread was started about movies in our educational system. Fictional movies teaching our children history. How exactly is this a well-rounded view of history? These movies are one sided yet presented as truth to the kids. Maybe I should look up spike lee and get his fair and balanced view on the subject.
Every story has three sides, your side, my side and the truth. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I thought that this website was about finding that truth.



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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It is about finding the truth and you will never find the truth if you are comfortable in believing in simple things as you just mentioned. Surely you jest and patronize with reference to Spike Lee?

I am afraid I can't help you with what I know. That will take too long to deconstruct for you. Again, I suggest you seek out credible sources to understand better.


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posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 02:16 PM
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I'm asking you to quote some sources, not tell me to go look it up my self. Why would I want to do your research? That is the whole point of a discussion. Tell us your views with sources. Add to the thread. you disagree,that's great but tell why. All you have said is you don't like my source.
And what is your opinion on this movie being shown in school? Pro, con or indifferent?



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 04:00 PM
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woodwardjnr
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How is this a government propaganda film. Just because it deals with issues you'd rather forget ever happened in your country. It promotes the desire for freedom, surely something that should be ingrained in all our youngsters minds?


It's propaganda because the subjects are "cherry picked" to be inline with specific political goals and politically correct agendas. Do you think it would be acceptable to show semi-graphic sex slavery and child trafficking videos and call it public school curriculum? How about soft-core LGBT porn, would that be considered acceptable?

There are many ways to help kids think critically and find solutions to their and other problems, and none of them include some form of white guilt history bashing process from 50 to 200 years ago in the distant past. Do you know any slave owners, other than the government, the banking system and maybe a few multinational corporations?

Every country in the world has had slaves throughout history, including Asian, South America and African nations, why aren't we indoctrinating and inundating our children with that simple fact? Tine to get over it already.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:28 AM
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Sorry I just found this and having a good chuckle.

Love how narrowed minded some here are


Slavery happened in the USA of course it should be bloody well taught in HISTORY classes.

What do you expect them to teach in American History? Only the good stuff?

Anyone that's wants to gloss over and ignore it must have something to hide.
It not about white guilt or liberal agendas, just teaching HISTORY.

As for modern slavery? Well that's not a matter for HISTORY classes, more social study s classes.



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:35 AM
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Y'all do realize that even if a movie is based on actual events, it still usually contains at least a certain amount of propaganda, yes?.

If the movie does not contain at least a certain amount of propaganda to sway people's thinking in a certain direction it will not be released for mass consumer consumption by the censors.

Ah, propaganda tastes so gooooooood.....

Oh the humanity!!.



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:38 AM
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I watched 12 years a slave.

I didn't see any propaganda.

It was account of a free black man being tricked into being sold into slavery.

Is it the fact the south want pictured as sun shine and rainbows with happy black slaves dancing with joy?

As a white man I did not feel guilt or unconformable being white while watching the film. If you did? Your insecurity's are not my problem.
To me it was a personal account that I sympathized with. Is it the fact the film makes you sympathize with the slave not the masters you take issue with?
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:55 AM
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Simply a way of keeping the racial tension embers aglow in case they are needed for a race war as a distraction later.

Same as the mythical Al Qaeda or whatever and all of the hair brained theories regarding 9/11 and current events too, like that plane they can't find, how exactly does anything like this or that or anything else actually effect us in any way but stealing our attention away from more pressing matters?, things we can actually change....

Most everything is this world is running near threshold so we can't see what's going on, and I don't feel responsible for what my ancestors did regardless of what some stupid movie tries to portray.

Keep that head spinning.

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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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I think this is a good point on the potential results of showing these narratives. It is a conundrum. On one hand I think that these accountings and the stories that come from them are an essential part of American history and on the other hand we need to be careful that telling these stories doesn't just deepen the divide. Maybe we need to present these as our collective history first because that is what it is. From my perspective which "race" dominated which other isn't very important anymore.

When I did a little digging I found out my great-great grandfather was black which was something my family tried very hard to hide. (There is a heck of a story behind that but it would be a derail). My point is only that I think that for a lot of Americans, no matter what color your skin is, the heritage of slaves AND slave owners runs mixed in the blood and bone of enough of us that both sides of that history make up what we are collectively as a society and as individuals. The narrative is important because acknowledging those mistakes and strengths is important but guilt and righteousness based on skin color is pointlessly divisive. This is a shared AMERICAN heritage and history.



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Simply a way of keeping the racial tension embers aglow in case they are needed for a race war as a distraction later.





Rubbish!

What do you expect?

To completely gloss over and ignore the whole slavery bit in USA history just to pacify the blacks?



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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Why waste energy and resources on something that cannot be fixed?.

Oh, it must be the drama of it all....

I understand some awful things have happened in this world's history, and also that governments just can't seem to rectify them in the past, and probably not in the future either or ever.

Oh the DRAMA....

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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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It's a movie not a documentary.

Movies are loaded with inaccuracies and should not be used in schools.



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Y'all do realize that even if a movie is based on actual events, it still usually contains at least a certain amount of propaganda, yes?.

If the movie does not contain at least a certain amount of propaganda to sway people's thinking in a certain direction it will not be released for mass consumer consumption by the censors.

Ah, propaganda tastes so gooooooood.....

Oh the humanity!!.



Propaganda in films.

Two good examples are the Mel Gibson films "Patriot" and "Braveheart"



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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Don't forget "The Passion of The Christ" loaded with religious pain and guilt propaganda.

Governments aren't the only entities that spread propaganda, I look at advertising a big propaganda spreader....

After all, are they really not only trying to make a sort of sale?, trying to influence one's decision making process?.

Eddie Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud started this BS way back in the 1920's and many more have picked it up over the years following, especially the insurance, medical and legal industries.

Be fearful, feel guilty and inadequate, buy this from us, we are here to help you.....

Nah, IB 2 cheap, and realize that I'm really paying for nothing anyway in the end....

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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Why waste energy and resources on something that cannot be fixed?.





By that logic then History should not be taught in schools is that what your saying?

Its not about fixing anything.

It about learning ones own history of your country. Good and bad.
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