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Ukraine Plus Obama Means We're All Doomed!!!

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posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:14 PM
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For me, it simply isn't possible to have less faith in our Commander in Chief. Regretfully, I find it laughable when he stands on the world stage and makes "threats" or tries to intimidate another head of state and I fear those other leaders feel the same way. In addition, if our president were to take any action in the current Ukraine crisis, I can only hope he listens to advisers who know something about modern warfare and he doesn't assume he is the Jerry Jones of world leaders. Our president has ZERO experience in running anything larger than perhaps a political rally prior to amazingly being elected to the highest office in the land and I hope and pray he hasn't fooled himself into believing his own hype about how infallible he thinks he is.

I will be saying extra prayers in the foreseeable future for our men and women in uniform as they may be asked to follow the orders of a proven fraud into life threatening situations.

I know some of you may see it different, and I would be quite happy to be wrong. Does anyone else feel like we're in trouble or do you have more faith in our nation's president as he once again threatens to take us into a new war arena?




posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:23 PM
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reply to post by samstone11
 


Obama has no real power. He is going to do what ever the military/industrial complex tells him to do. He is a neocon puppet just likie Bush.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:28 PM
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People still don't understand the game.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:33 PM
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The only reason there may be war is because of the lack of strong credible leadership in the white house.

It doesn't mean certain doom. It is a regional conflict involving strategic and economic interests of Russia. For the west it is an assault on democracy and western influence. It is an irresistible opportunity for Russia on many levels, and having no respect for the leader of their greatest adversary, a leader with no credibility, waffling on threats, being intimidated into concessions, inconsistent policies, seen as corrupt, deceitful, head of a failing country in turmoil, and generally weak on all foreign policy means that there is nothing in the way.

What is the worst this leader of the free world can do?

Have his national security team write up a strong worded condemnation while he is being entertained or golfing, to sign himself and send to Putin?




posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:39 PM
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Because Obama and Ukraine, we all dies now?



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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Before people started thinking a little clearer, I heard it suggested on CNN that they put sanctions on Russia's gas and oil exports.
Right. Tell those that buy the gas and oil, in the winter, that they can't - suddenly.
Glad they re-thought that one.
Any disturbance in the energy markets, and the cost to the rest of the world goes up considerably.

They'd better think things through, carefully, before actions ....



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:46 PM
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Phage
Because Obama and Ukraine, we all dies now?


No, we get our drink on



Minutes after issuing a stern warning to Russia and saying there will be a price to pay if it interferes militarily in Ukraine, President Obama headed to a “happy hour” with fellow Democrats.

“Well, it’s Friday. It’s after 5 o’clock. So, this is now officially happy hour with the Democratic party,” the president told his cohorts. “I can do that. It is an executive action. I have the authority.”


www.washingtontimes.com...



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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Meanwhile the old school rooskies in the Kremlin share a few rounds of good vodka, and laugh their asses off at Obama's threats. Maybe later discussions on reconstitution of the Soviet union by force.

Cheers!



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 10:58 PM
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Yep, and while Obama has his drink on, meanwhile, on the other side of the world, Ukraine nationalists are headed to the basements of old Soviet installations to dust off the nukes they stashed away.

Recent history here says that there are too many that have great-great-grand families that disappeared under Stalin (tens of millions of them) and this threat has them ready to fight the Russian bear, as if their lives depend on it, cause to them it does.

This will not end well, and if we put our nose in it at the same time Ukraine is getting that nuke loaded on an old Soviet jet headed to Moscow (or to Chernoybl - what a dirty bomb that would make), we may find ourselves told to butt out and forced to shut up courtesy of EMP gag order.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:03 PM
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Hyperbole when I say we're all doomed. Simply the lack of faith in our president means we have little to encourage us where I would prefer to believe our Commander in Chief is strong, decisive, capable, and intimidating when necessary. Hopefully no one is doomed, but I don't think it will come about through the actions of our president.

Exaggeration is one of my personal psychological defense mechanisms.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:03 PM
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reply to post by lakesidepark
 

Former Soviet republics seem to get the short end quite often. It's only been twenty years or so.

I'd give it another 20 before any of it starts to make sense. After all the USSR was there for more than 60. It should take at least that long to clean up the mess.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:06 PM
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ausername
reply to post by samstone11
 


The only reason there may be war is because of the lack of strong credible leadership in the white house.

It doesn't mean certain doom. It is a regional conflict involving strategic and economic interests of Russia. For the west it is an assault on democracy and western influence. It is an irresistible opportunity for Russia on many levels, and having no respect for the leader of their greatest adversary, a leader with no credibility, waffling on threats, being intimidated into concessions, inconsistent policies, seen as corrupt, deceitful, head of a failing country in turmoil, and generally weak on all foreign policy means that there is nothing in the way.

What is the worst this leader of the free world can do?

Have his national security team write up a strong worded condemnation while he is being entertained or golfing, to sign himself and send to Putin?



Russia'e actions are the opposite in fact. They are a desperate act of fear. Everywhere US and the West continues to make advances in Russia former spheres and where they are not China is. Putin is operating from a position of weakness and thus his willingness to gamble but, only to a small degree. Russia would be hard pressed to win a war just again Ukraine much less the US/NATO. So Russia is taking steps to gain a bargaining chip. Russia can not win a war with the West and it can not take santions either but, it hopes to limit Ukraine joining NATO. To Russia this is a last ditch effort to preserve some sense of what it once had, it act of desperation shows this. To the US and the West who hold all the hards this is a minor crisis in the scheme of things. They have the military, economic and diplomatic tools to wreck Russia and Russia knows it thus, they are playing the only card the have.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:09 PM
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Dude, my apologies if you missed the genuine Russian perspective in that post.

It is what it is.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:19 PM
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Obama doesn't give a crap about Ukraine or the US for that matter...




posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:21 PM
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To know your enemy, you have to understand how they think.




posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:24 PM
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The Ukraine was a part of the USSR and Russia still has a great deal of political and financial influence and interests in Ukraine.
They want to be a part of the EU but this would mean EU influence over the oil and pipelines in the Crimea. This is a political and financial issue between the EU and Russia. It has nothing to do with the US.

Europe needs to start dealing with their own neighbors. The US spent trillions keeping Russia at bay during the cold war. Now the EU is financially and militarily cohesive enough to handle their own local issues.

The US needs to stop meddling in the rest of the worlds issues and deal with their own problems at home.



posted on Mar, 1 2014 @ 11:27 PM
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One final thought, it is a dangerous assumption to believe that Putin and Russia are operating from a position of weakness, desperation, perhaps. But desperation combined with strength, resolve and opportunity can make anything possible.



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 12:07 AM
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I have zero faith in our president and your prayers will do nothing as usual. We need to get him and his generation out of office to see any real progress. All they are doing is #ing us. Just my beliefs.



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 12:14 AM
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The US needs to stop meddling in the rest of the worlds issues and deal with their own problems at home.
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Finally....a voice of reason. Too many armchair generals around here advocating for Obama to drop the hammer on the Russians.

A military option here is just not going to happen. There would be no upside to it and it could potentially escalate this situation which is so far isolated to the Ukraine. A US attack on Russian troops would be immensely stupid....and horribly dangerous.

Sanctions aren't going to work with Russia...Obama's only choice here is diplomacy...or better yet...stay out of it all together.

The US has no business in Ukraine....NONE.



posted on Mar, 2 2014 @ 12:15 AM
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We need to get him and his generation out of office to see any real progress.


Oh my, have I heard that before. No less true. No less trite.

HEY DICK
Whatever you think of us is totally irrelevant
Both to us now and to you
We are the present
We are the future
You are the past
Pay your dues and get outta the way
'Cause we're not the way you used to be
When you were very young
We're something new (utterly new)
We don't quite know what it is
Or particularly care
We just do it - You gotta do it




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