Should the US intervene in the Ukranian situation?

This is more or less a question for the American ATS members. Throughout this situation many foreigners have made it clear that they think the US should take full responsibility and pay for this crisis.

The problem that I have with that viewpoint is that I doubt many foreigners are FULLY aware of how badly our country has been hijacked by elitist/TPTB.

Personally I feel that if the US is found out to have completely propagated this whole situation, the people who fed the fire should be brought to justice, not the American taxpayers nor our troops.

I personally feel that a military option by the US should be taken off the table, it's just not our fight. By 'our' I mean the citizens of the US. There is a complete detachment from the citizens and the elite/TPTB/Feds. If they want a fight, well they should be on their own.

How do other American ATS members feel about this situation? Do you feel cheated? Feel like a pawn?

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NO!

No.

Haven't we "intervened" in other countries problems enough already?

God I hope not... Would hate to see what would follow after the US goes in

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No! Better to use the money at home than bring disgrace abroad. Putin should keep his ass out of that fight as well.

Cheers - Dave

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No! We aren't here to Police the whole world. Let them fight their own battles and blow their own money. Unless you wanna send someone from Ukraine to come here and pay some of my bills....Im not going to agree to go there and spend more of my tax money for them. BS!

Sremmos80
God I hope not... Would hate to see what would follow after the US goes in

It's not even the amount of bloodshed either, it's about the fact that the blood shed would be to the benefit of the elite. Men my age will lose their lives for the benefit of the elite... not defending the constitution. It makes me sick.

Normally, I'd scream & shout "HELL NO!" from the roof tops, but if we are bound by the Budapest Memorandum to come to Ukraine's defense, I see no other option but to do so if needed. To shirk a responsibility like that would be inspiration for others in similar situations to do the same, and would render it an utterly useless empty promise, along with any others that may come up.

If we can stay here & out of their war, that'd be great. But if the Budapest signed-on-the-dotted-line commitment includes to go so far as to put boots on the ground in their defense? Then nothing could be more spineless than skipping out on that promise.

I would like to see Obama**** and Putin fight it out to the death in the arena. AmeriKa need be no further involved than such offer.

When I try to explain the relationship of the US people with the US government to foreigners, I think I settle on the "Rogue Hand" analogy.

Imagine you had a single useful hand, and a hand that was completely independent of you and did exactly as it chose at all times. It didn't seem to serve your needs that well, but you were obligated to nourish and support it. You would go to the market, and the hand would flail about, would shove items off the shelves madly, would flip off the cashier as you were checking out, and maybe fondle women's breasts you passed. You would at all times feel obligated to point out that you weren't responsible for the actions of the rogue hand, and no one would buy it.

What options do the US people have to resist what this government wants? We don't have power of selecting our leaders if there are only 2 choices and they are more or less the same and pre-chosen for us. We don't really have a way to petition our government to stop. Obama assures us that he "hears us"... and that is where the story ends. Sometimes if people make a lot of noise, the government seems to get startled and stop what it was doing for a while, as in Syria, but perhaps this is also a ruse and they were hiding the fact that they had changed their mind much earlier. They have fairly comprehensive view of their constituency, and the constituency has basically no view at all of what they might be doing at any given moment. The public lives in a polished glass house, and the government operates under 10 feet of tungsten steel.

Are we ultimately the prisoners of this supremely powerful and completely rogue government?

Yes!! Just kidding. Absolutely not...

Nyiah
Normally, I'd scream & shout "HELL NO!" from the roof tops, but if we are bound by the Budapest Memorandum to come to Ukraine's defense, I see no other option by to do so if needed. To shirk a responsibility like that would be inspiration for others in similar situations to do the same, and would render it an utterly useless empty promise, along with any others that may come up.

If we can stay here & out of their war, that'd be great. But if the Budapest signed-on-the-dotted-line commitment includes to go so far as to put boots on the ground in their defense? Then nothing could be more spineless than skipping out on that promise.

Well perhaps instead of military action we could throw the propagators and their checkbooks to the dogs? Let them have what's coming to them.

Snarl
I would like to see Obama**** and Putin fight it out to the death in the arena. AmeriKa need be no further involved than such offer.

I would love to watch that. Putin looks like a mean son of a bitch.

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I say we offer to send in all senators & congressmen for that, chained together as a human shield wall or something. Make 'em useful for a change.

And I'm not kidding. Normally, I'd consider that to be a crime against humanity/human rights violation, but no one can prove they're even human in DC anyway.

US has invaded and continues to invade multiple countries GLOBALLY yet Russia sets foot back into a bordering offshoot, Ukraine, where it just struck an oil line deal months ago, and Obama and the gang got beef?

Nyiah
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I say we offer to send in all senators & congressmen for that, chained together as a human shield wall or something. Make 'em useful for a change.

And I'm not kidding. Normally, I'd consider that to be a crime against humanity/human rights violation, but no one can prove they're even human in DC anyway.

It would serve their purpose and our as well! I might need to start one of the Whitehouse.gov petitions or whatever they are.

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Should the US intervene in the Ukranian situation?

We have been since the demonstrations started and it's only going to get worse.

As long as Russia sticks to the Crimean region, then no.

I had a chance to talk to step-mom & grandma (from Russia, now US citizens) who have relatives in Crimea. They never wanted to be part of the Ukraine, and don't want to be now. The area is primarily Russian in language & culture. With the Ukraine in turmoil, the Crimean region elected a government on their own and have voted, twice, to secede from the Ukraine.

If Obama really means to "let people choose", then let Crimea split off and keep us the heck out of it.

To be able to answer the question I would first have to know if the government is considered legitimate by the majority in Ukraine. The media tells us it is but they did not get into power via election and we have been told our troops would be greeted as liberators before when that simply wasn't the case. We don't need another Vietnam or even an Iraq and if there is to be intervention we need to be really clear about the situation. I don't want to see a situation where we end up fighting Ukraine nationalists who don't want us there any more than the Russians.

That's if the Russians even have intentions to launch a proper invasion, which is still unclear at the moment. You would need at least a hundred thousand troops and probably more support aircraft than Russia used in that exercise they had near the border.

We probably won't have a choice if it continues to escalate. Not on a purely moral level.