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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 11:54 PM
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The us has bases everywhere in europe. A few years ago when I lived in czech there were protest going on about US and there bases on the czech republic boarder. Remember czech republic use to be apart of russia as well.




posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 11:57 PM
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Springer
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Genius...


Thanks Springer...mangs humor is helping lighten the fear mood here. I appreciate you and mods not removing his/her post.
This thread has gone on 4 days..its needed



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 11:58 PM
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TheBoomersRBusted
More news, can anyone verify: big refinery in Russia on fire, 'largest refinery in Europe'
www.easybranches.eu...


Despite several searches I cannot find anything on this that is credible. I've found the exact same story 3 times on some little known websites and that's all.

The only search that turns up anything is "Largest Oil Refinery in Europe is on Fire". Everything else is a no-go.
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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 11:59 PM
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Turkey is key in the region as you have summarised. It bridges the divide between Europe and Asia. Interestingly enough they have been experiencing riots of their own recently. If there is a power play for the region it seems unlikely Turkey won't be involved. They were a major player in the last Crimean war that left about 350 000 dead on the western aligned side and 220 000 dead on the Russian side.
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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 11:59 PM
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Abavs
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The us has bases everywhere in europe. A few years ago when I lived in czech there were protest going on about US and there bases on the czech republic boarder. Remember czech republic use to be apart of russia as well.


Hmm. I was not aware of this news of base there ..and yes I know Czech was part of Russia..
Star for that info.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:00 AM
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Lets look at this from another point of view. WARS stimulate the economy. They make the global bankers and arm dealers richer.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:01 AM
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john452
reply to post by Bigburgh
 


Turkey is key in the region as you have summarised. It bridges the divide between Europe and Asia. Interestingly enough they have been experiencing riots of their own recently. If there is a power play for the region it seems unlikely Turkey won't be involved. They were a major player in the last Crimean war that left about 350 000 dead on the western aligned side and 220 000 dead on the Russian side.
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Oh my..no I did not know of riots..thanks



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:06 AM
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OK..I gotta sleep..I'll peek in/lurk..all this info is great..keep doing what you guys are doing.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:09 AM
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I know there's good searchers here... thanks



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:09 AM
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Well i see why Putin thought he needed to make this move They loose a sea port if anti Russian government takes power. but it think the most important reason is the person they were paying kickbacks to got taken out and they panicked. There entire gas operation relies heavily on Ukraine. see map



This means Ukraine is the choking point for Russian gas distribution for Europe but it keeps bothering me i know there was more to it. Putin isnt stupid there had to me more at stake than a sea port. Well it turns out there is i found this see what you think than ill tell you what i think happened. I will say with the removal of his guy as president made this all the more threatening to Russia. since this frees Ukraine from Russian dependence.

www.themoscowtimes.com...



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:10 AM
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Umm..... you know China can get to the ukraine with out setting foot on a boat at all right...

Just saying mate, you don't need a navy to invade if you are connected by land. China could theoretically move it's troops through it's ally Russia by land to the ukraine.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:11 AM
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I think there wont be a war. Mr putin will be asked to give the city back to the Ukrainians. He will then let the people decide what they want. Then more then likely ukraine will split in to two parts. Russian side and europen side. They may even build a wall :p the country will become so poor it will make sovikia look like a middle class country. There will be consistant riots untill someone marches in, re unites the country and installs a new government. And ect



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:15 AM
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Yahoo Spain states that more than 5000 Ukraine soldiers have defeted to the Crimean Republic...thats quite a few.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:21 AM
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Abavs
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I think there wont be a war. Mr putin will be asked to give the city back to the Ukrainians. He will then let the people decide what they want. Then more then likely ukraine will split in to two parts. Russian side and europen side. They may even build a wall :p the country will become so poor it will make sovikia look like a middle class country. There will be consistant riots untill someone marches in, re unites the country and installs a new government. And ect


Putin has made quite clear that he doesn't give two #s about what he is 'asked' to do. He is in it for the win, not the compromise.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:24 AM
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As obvious as that should be I must admit I had never considered that. Russia troops travelled that distance during WW2 as Zhukov was the commander during the battle of Kursk - the largest tank battle in history and one of the most important battles in WW2 and he was previously stationed in the east. His forces were considered the best at winter warfare in the Soviet army and had success against the Japanese when they attacked The Soviets in the late 1930s.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:30 AM
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In my humble opinion as a European myself;

The Krim was originally Russian and was given (in a very foolish move, granted that) to Ukraine. Mind you that it is the only Russian port that does not freeze over during the Winter so for Russia it is an important port. Maybe they shouldn't have given it but their move at the very least is understandable.

Even before the Russian intervention my personal view upon the matter was that the nation would most likely split in two parts; one part Russian and one part European. I had hoped to see a diplomatic way of reaching this but alas. The pro-European fraction is as hard-line as the pro-Russian fraction and they would never allow a separation of the Krim.

Having said that the Russian move has a few consequences in general. Europe will not intervene; they won't an d I can already tell you that. Most European leaders will most likely favour a split of Ukrain this way anyway. They won't go out blazing guns for a small patch of land when their own lands have manifoldly increased in less then a decade.
If the Russians want their outdated little Black Sea fleet floating in that sea; let them.

The Ukrain won't like this but considering they are going to be part of the EU they will also benefit from massive economical inflow of money in their lands. Europe has plenty of time and resources to buy the lost trust back over the next decade and will do so (it was planned anyway).


If anything a few things can be learned from this;

1) Europe is growing fast and its having massive political influence even on (former) superpowers like Russia.
2) Putin most likely had to make a power-move to prove that he is 'not afraid' of the growing EU.
3) If anything for the Eu to learn it is that they (we from my point of view) have to unify its armies in one bigger mass. So far we have split armies tat cooperate based upon national decision but it need to become a far more coherent army. Right now the leaders of the EU don't know what they need to put their; NATO forces? UN forces? No, it should be a unified European army, but there is non. If anything it will be a blob of French, German, Polan and Uk armies combined. That's idiotic.


In summery; Let them have the Krim and a harbour for their rinky dinky out dated black sea fleet. Ukrain still has coast on the black sea and the European fleet is a bit more modern then that almost Soviet era like fleet. Its Russia that will have the problem too look at that big waving blue flag with gold stars.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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Abavs
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I think there wont be a war. Mr putin will be asked to give the city back to the Ukrainians. He will then let the people decide what they want. Then more then likely ukraine will split in to two parts. Russian side and europen side. They may even build a wall :p the country will become so poor it will make sovikia look like a middle class country. There will be consistant riots untill someone marches in, re unites the country and installs a new government. And ect


This would be a good outcome. and I'm still holding out Putin may do this.
I had to eat my words lately because I've been saying its Putin that's been handling the middle east better the last couple of years, than my own countries diplomacy. But this came along and my peers here have been giving me the old "i told you so".
Time will tell.



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:33 AM
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Zi0nNazis from western Ukraine trying to smuggle weapons www.youtube.com... to the Crimea to use against Russian soldiers and civilians, seized 500 kilograms of TNT and other ammunition



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:34 AM
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A couple of updates,


Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the troops and formations that took part in military exercises, to return to their home stations.

www.pravda.com.ua...
This is in regards to the 140,000+ troops on exercise along the border.

But as you can see there is still plenty of Russians to go around,

Troops of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea could number up to 25 thousand people.
It was declared a permanent representative of Russia to the UN Vitaly Churkin at a meeting of the Security Council of the organization, reports TSN .

www.pravda.com.ua...



posted on Mar, 4 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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weirdguy
A couple of updates,


Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the troops and formations that took part in military exercises, to return to their home stations.

www.pravda.com.ua...
This is in regards to the 140,000+ troops on exercise along the border.

But as you can see there is still plenty of Russians to go around,

Troops of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea could number up to 25 thousand people.
It was declared a permanent representative of Russia to the UN Vitaly Churkin at a meeting of the Security Council of the organization, reports TSN .

www.pravda.com.ua...


Thats a step forward..maybe time for a sigh of relief.



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