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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:07 PM
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A sniper couldn't tell who he was...well...sounds like a really good Russian sniper , to me. Anyway, I stand by what I said, and fail to see why you are making a big deal of it. If it was a big deal, then Special Forces troops wouldn't use all manner of different equipment, and weaponry...and like I said...our own troops can buy their own equipment, as they see fit, I do believe.


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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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john452
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What about the rest of the country? London did have riots not too long ago and perhaps that is why they get an exception as they don't want a repeat of that when the economy is affected by sanctions. That brings me to the question of whether sanctions would affect Russia or Europe more. High oil prices caused by the crisis will be good for Russia and might offset the losses but I can only see it being bad for Europe, negligible for the USA and possibly good for China if they can negotiate to take some of the lost business at a discount.


London doesn't mean Joe Smith in the street. London means BIG BUSINESS, BANKS, FINANCE and whoever else has ties with the Russians that are propping up Londons economy...



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:28 PM
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Catacomb



A sniper couldn't tell who he was...well...sounds like a really good Russian sniper , to me. Anyway, I stand by what I said, and fail to see why you are making a big deal of it. If it was a big deal, then Special Forces troops wouldn't use all manner of different equipment, and weaponry...and like I said...our own troops can buy their own equipment, as they see fit, I do believe.


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No, they can't. U.S troops aren't supposed to modify their equipment at all (but many of them do anyways). There was a thread on the Colt m4 here on ATS a little while back where it detailed the problems U.S soldiers have been having with the weapon, and how many of them have been altering it with different parts they have bought themselves to increase the reliability of the weapon. That is against army policy, but many do it anyways and the brass lets it go as long as they are minor modifications. I suppose it's possible the Russians do the same thing, however.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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Poland has invoked Article 4 of Nato's founding treaty, under which consultations can be requested when an ally feels their security is threatened. Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski has said that while the Ukraine crisis is not a direct threat to Poland and that the country is safe, Poland wants to enlist Nato as a tool to work for stabilisation in Ukraine.


BBC News Feed

www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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Catacomb



A sniper couldn't tell who he was...well...sounds like a really good Russian sniper , to me. Anyway, I stand by what I said, and fail to see why you are making a big deal of it. If it was a big deal, then Special Forces troops wouldn't use all manner of different equipment, and weaponry...and like I said...our own troops can buy their own equipment, as they see fit, I do believe.


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Christ..that explains why the US always ends up killing more of it's own troops by friendly fire than die in contact with the enemy...all the SEALS and special forces guys wear enemy issue uniform..Was Pat Tillman dressed in IZLOM camoflague and carrying a AK100??
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posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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well looks like Ukraine is about to get some money from the US. Eric Cantor is putting forth loan guarantees for Ukraine. And setting up legislation to impose sanctions as well.


majorityleader.gov...



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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How can they do that - say their safety is threatened - and with the same breath say they are safe? That is insane. This whole ordeal has just proved how full of poo the political leaders are. Too many Pigeons on the chessboard.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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Pro-Russian authorities in Crimea will cut off water and electricity to Ukrainian soldiers in bases surrounded by Russian forces on Monday night, a Russian former lawmaker loyal to President Vladimir Putin said.

Sergei Markov, who held meetings with pro-Russian authorities on the Ukrainian peninsula earlier on Monday, told reporters the soldiers would also be told they would not receive their next pay packet if they did not publicly renounce their loyalty to the new provisional government in Kiev, the capital.

"If they stay here and remain loyal to Kiev and the Ukrainian government, it will become more uncomfortable for them," said Markov, who sits in a Kremlin-backed public policy chamber. "The pressure is going to increase tonight."
[Reuters]



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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The Ukrainian forces on those bases may become martyrs for Ukraine.

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“In what way exactly did foreign powers intervene in Kiev, compared to the way they are intervening now in Crimea?”



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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mrsdudara
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How can they do that - say their safety is threatened - and with the same breath say they are safe? That is insane. This whole ordeal has just proved how full of poo the political leaders are. Too many Pigeons on the chessboard.


I don't think anyone is buying that line (not even Russians themselves). It could be argued that tensions were high, but the idea that Russia needed to intervene militarily to save ethnic Russians in the Ukraine just doesn't hold any water. The real reason they are there is their naval base in sevastopol. The Russians NEED that port and will defend it at all costs. They were concerned (rightfully so) that the new anti-russian government in the Ukraine would not honor previous military and economic agreements, so they have moved in to ensure that the entire world knows that their naval base is off limits.

I think the Russians would do themselves a bigger favor by just being honest with the world instead of designing trumped up excuses as to why they are intervening. We all know there are many ethnic Russians in the Ukraine, we all know the previous government had agreements with Russia that the new government wasn't going to honor, and we all know the EU and the U.S have been covertly fomenting tensions in Kiev for some time now to get a piece of the Ukraine's pie. Russia would look a lot better in all of this if they just told it like it is. They also would have been much wiser to exercise some restraint and patience, before marching into the Crimea. They could have left the military out of it until diplomatic options were exhausted first.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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I'm watching the questioning of the Russian UN Security Council ambassador and he made it quite clear that there are "outside forces" responsible for the unrest that occurred in the Ukraine. Specifically, "western" interests.

Makes one wonder what the CIA is doing nowadays.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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I hope they learn't a few things from Bear Grylls because they will have to drink their own urine. But in all seriousness that is the most evil way to force them out their bases.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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less evil bombing them ?



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 04:59 PM
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sheepslayer247
I'm watching the questioning of the Russian UN Security Council ambassador and he made it quite clear that there are "outside forces" responsible for the unrest that occurred in the Ukraine. Specifically, "western" interests.

Makes one wonder what the CIA is doing nowadays.


And the Ukrainians say,


The Russian military invasion of Ukraine has been in the works for years, but still left Ukrainian officials unprepared while other former officials appeared to be working in cahoots with the Kremlin, according to experts who spoke at a news conference in Kyiv today.

www.kyivpost.com...



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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And that too yes I should rephrase that to 'One of the most evil ways' starve them to death.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 05:03 PM
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Lemme try to get this straight.

They're telling the Ukrainian armed forces to basically denounce their country and government?

This smells fouler and fouler....



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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Well I guess that answers my question a few pages ago about whether or not they would allow them supplies...

Not good. I really hope that is just ill thought out rhetoric and the Russians aren't stupid enough to try and starve the Ukrainian army out of the Crimea. That will increase the chances of someone committing a grave mistake exponentially.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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sheepslayer247
I'm watching the questioning of the Russian UN Security Council ambassador and he made it quite clear that there are "outside forces" responsible for the unrest that occurred in the Ukraine. Specifically, "western" interests.

Makes one wonder what the CIA is doing nowadays.


“In what way exactly did foreign powers intervene in Kiev, compared to the way they are intervening now in Crimea?”



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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deviant300


Poland has invoked Article 4 of NATO founding treaty, under which consultations can be requested when an ally feels their security is threatened. Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski has said that while the Ukraine crisis is not a direct threat to Poland and that the country is safe, Poland wants to enlist Nato as a tool to work for stabilisation in Ukraine.


BBC News Feed

www.bbc.co.uk...



Good, nice to see Poland being proactive.
NATO forces should be heading there asap, they are duty and legally bound to be.



posted on Mar, 3 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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well it's pretty clear for me




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