Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

a reply to: dragonridr

Im still really doubting that the rockets fired hit that park the damage done isnt from air to surface missiles damage to small. Should have torn up the entire building and makes little sense since the pilot has alot of other options as well.

I see some believe that the rockets fired that day were S-8 missiles, but I can't undestand how a rocket/missile that is fired out of a pod on an aircraft can make the flash we have seen in the park unless they have an aircraft hiding in there.

I have the same feeling as you do, and that being it was something other than an aircraft fired ordinance.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Russia and China and the US will most likely never become key allies with each other, unless we are attacked from space aliens.

Then the problem will be who takes the lead, because with those three everyone wants to be top dog.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Xcathdra

So Russia is not at war with Ukraine

Just like the U.S is not at war with Pakistan or Somalia or anywhere else that is getting droned

ok got it

Russia is at war with Ukraine since Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.

Pro Russians apparently have a different idea of what an invasion is yet for some reason they don't elaborate.

I am getting a little confused with all this voting & little proxy wars going on around the world and the scene's in the East of Ukraine today with Warplanes bombing civilian area's i just hope it will not resemble Syria soon .

I live in Europe and had not realized that War had been declared between the two as all the talk is about voting for separation and joining either the Euro zone or the Eastern States .

I got quite bored hearing about Wars these days and cannot wait for the world cup in Brazil

a reply to: douglas5
Joining the Euro or joining Eastern states does not come with the requirement of being invaded and Crimea annexed by Russia.

Proxy war? - Anything to support that?

Any links for the bombing civilian areas comment?

You crazy Europeans and your hooligan games j/k

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Xcathdra

So Russia is not at war with Ukraine

Just like the U.S is not at war with Pakistan or Somalia or anywhere else that is getting droned

ok got it

Russia is at war with Ukraine since Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.

Pro Russians apparently have a different idea of what an invasion is yet for some reason they don't elaborate.

Russia is at war with western banksters elite, since elite wanted Crimea for themselves. Pro elite posters have a different idea of what an invasion is.
yet, they call Crimea 'annexed', when their balls got slammed hard. Western invasion occurred when they staged a military coup in Ukraine.

Correct me if I am wrong anyone.

a reply to: darkorange

I must have missed the news reports showing NATO / EU / West military forces crossing the border into Ukraine under the guise of protecting "ethnic non ethnic Russians".

Read the agreement signed by Yanukovych.
review the conflicting comments made by Putin about Yanukovych and Yanukovych stating the complete opposite.
The parliament in Ukraine was elected near the end of 2012.
Yanukovych restored the 2004 constitution, which is what the lawfully elected parliament used to remove him from office.

Finally can you explain / answer -
If it was a "coup" and if Russia was that "concerned" then why did they stop in Crimea?

Are ethnic Russians in Crimea somehow worth more than Ethnic Russians elsewhere in Ukraine? Since Russia stopped with annexation of Ukraine it became evident did could have cared less about what occurred in Ukraine and only used the ethnic Russian bs to justify a land grab.

That position is further reinforced by Putin all of a sudden recognizing the new government in Ukraine where as a few months back he said Yanukovych was the legitimate leader in Ukraine.

what changed his mind?

He currently occupies Crimea which has been his goal from the start.

originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Xcathdra

So Russia is not at war with Ukraine

Just like the U.S is not at war with Pakistan or Somalia or anywhere else that is getting droned

ok got it

Russia is at war with Ukraine since Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.

Pro Russians apparently have a different idea of what an invasion is yet for some reason they don't elaborate.

Russia is at war with western banksters elite, since elite wanted Crimea for themselves. Pro elite posters have a different idea of what an invasion is.
yet, they call Crimea 'annexed', when their balls got slammed hard. Western invasion occurred when they staged a military coup in Ukraine.

Correct me if I am wrong anyone.

Russia plans to turn Crimea into the next monte carlo according to articles post way back in this thread. The russian elite want crimea for themselves too so its better for no one to have it actually. Also when everyone except china and russia calls it a invasion it IS a invasion.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Xcathdra

So Russia is not at war with Ukraine

Just like the U.S is not at war with Pakistan or Somalia or anywhere else that is getting droned

ok got it

Russia is at war with Ukraine since Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.

Pro Russians apparently have a different idea of what an invasion is yet for some reason they don't elaborate.

Russia is at war with western banksters elite, since elite wanted Crimea for themselves. Pro elite posters have a different idea of what an invasion is.
yet, they call Crimea 'annexed', when their balls got slammed hard. Western invasion occurred when they staged a military coup in Ukraine.

Correct me if I am wrong anyone.

Russia plans to turn Crimea into the next monte carlo according to articles post way back in this thread. The russian elite want crimea for themselves too so its better for no one to have it actually. Also when everyone except china and russia calls it a invasion it IS a invasion.

Monte Carlo? What planet are you from?

The only warm waters port for Russia is Crimea. Monte Carlo is all you can think of. Sad. It just shows the extend of your geopolitical thought.
You think the war is about who owns next Monte Carlo?

You've got to feel sorry for Jen Psaki. Poor women, she is making a clown of herself. Wonder how long until she resign.
A few other news as well.

23:21 GMT:
US State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki finds it hard to accept OSCE's report into the airstrikes on Lugansk that resulted in civilian casualties, instead saying that “there are conflicting reports about this.”

When asked by the press, “who do you believe more, the OSCE or Kiev?,” Psaki replied the US is still looking into reports, meanwhile praising “the restraint the Government of Ukraine has shown in the face of overwhelming and unacceptable Russian interference and see no credible evidence to the contrary.

21:39 GMT:
There have been numerous reports of ongoing fighting between the self-defense forces and the Ukrainian military units over the control of the military base in Lugansk.


The assault on the Ukrainian military stronghold started after the sunset and has now been raging for few hours. There are no official figures of the casualties, but social media footage shows some wounded.

Ria Novosti reports,that the military base is on fire as a result of intense fighting.

20:43 GMT:
Moscow is concerned with Kiev's attempts to conceal the truth about the Odessa massacre on May 2 and are waiting for an impartial probe by the United Nations.

There are people who are “trying to hide” the results of the investigation and don't want to voice the truth, Russia's UN envoy Vitaly Churkin told journalists.

“We must get to the truth," Churkin said, noting that the UN has failed to agree with Kiev authorities on a full-blown criminal investigation into the tragic events of May 2, that left 48 people dead and 247 injured after Ukrainian nationalists burnt the protester camp and set fire to the Trade Unions House with anti-Kiev activists trapped inside

An official query for holding an inquiry into the Odessa massacre and on bringing the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) into it, was sent to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon at the end of May.

However Churkin noted that members of the Security Council reaffirmed their intention to monitor the Ukrainian investigations into the matter. Russia hopes that events in Odessa will be examined in the next report of the UN mission, the ambassador added.

Earlier, spokesperson for the UN Secretary General, Stefan Dujaric, said the massacre in Odessa would be considered in the next report of a UN mission observing human rights in Ukraine. The report is due to be presented officially on June 17.

20:18 GMT:
A $500,000 bounty has been offered by the Ukrainian authorities for the capture of Ex-presidential candidate Oleg Tsarev.

“According to the information received, the headquarters of the national defense of Dnipropetrovsk region announced a reward of $500,000 for the capture of Oleg Tsarev,” deputy of Dnepropetrovsk Regional State Administration, Boris Filatov wrote on his Facebook page.

Earlier the Ukrainian parliament approved the arrest of Tsarev, a vocal critic of the presidential election in Ukraine.

Last week, Kiev's Prosecutor General Oleg Magnitsky said that his office is investigating several criminal cases against politicians accused of making "public calls to overthrow the existing constitutional system in Ukraine, change its state borders and stage acts of disobedience, which entailed grave consequences and caused many casualties among law enforcers and peaceful civilians", TASS reports.

18:43 GMT:
Deadly air strikes in Lugansk are among Kiev’s “crimes against their own people,” the Russian Foreign Ministry has said.

The ministry’s statement particularly noted that “the escalation of actions of the Ukrainian forces and ultranationalists coincided with the Kiev visit of the US Assistant Secretary of Defense Derek Chollet.”

Chollet met Monday with Ukrainian security and defense officials and announced that the US has doubled its military aid to Kiev, bringing it to a hefty $18 million in “nonlethal supplies.” The US official promised even more assistance to the Ukrainian military and border guards, saying that Kiev authorities provided him with a “long list” of needs.

Kiev thugs shelling hospital in Krasny Liman yesterday.
Jen Psaki looking for more evidence as 'there are conflicting reports about this'




Slavyansk women and children hiding in shelters from bombs and air strikes.
Jen Psaki looking for more evidence as 'there are conflicting reports about this'

here is a good read and the reasons why russian soldiers are not in ukraine.

www.vineyardsaker.blogspot.mx... -must-read-article-of.html

originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Xcathdra

So Russia is not at war with Ukraine

Just like the U.S is not at war with Pakistan or Somalia or anywhere else that is getting droned

ok got it

Russia is at war with Ukraine since Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.

Pro Russians apparently have a different idea of what an invasion is yet for some reason they don't elaborate.

Russia is at war with western banksters elite, since elite wanted Crimea for themselves. Pro elite posters have a different idea of what an invasion is.
yet, they call Crimea 'annexed', when their balls got slammed hard. Western invasion occurred when they staged a military coup in Ukraine.

Correct me if I am wrong anyone.

Russia plans to turn Crimea into the next monte carlo according to articles post way back in this thread. The russian elite want crimea for themselves too so its better for no one to have it actually. Also when everyone except china and russia calls it a invasion it IS a invasion.

Monte Carlo? What planet are you from?

The only warm waters port for Russia is Crimea. Monte Carlo is all you can think of. Sad. It just shows the extend of your geopolitical thought.
You think the war is about who owns next Monte Carlo?

Actually Putin signed papers allowing gambling in Crimea so indeed they want to turn it into a gambling spot. Gambling is illegal in Russia so they needed special permission.

originally posted by: letscit
here is a good read and the reasons why russian soldiers are not in ukraine.

www.vineyardsaker.blogspot.mx... -must-read-article-of.html

Blog doesnt exist but there seems to be alot of evidence that indeed Russia sent people in to Ukraine.As you said just look in this thread plenty of evidence.

Here i found this interesting talks about How Putin is hiring people to change the narrative on Ukraine. They go onto western blogs and media sites to disrupt conversations and try to change the narrative so its favorable to Russia,
im guessing this is going to be common in the 21st century trolls trying to change the narrative.

Russia’s campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin’s message on the comments section of top American websites.
Plans attached to emails leaked by a mysterious Russian hacker collective show IT managers reporting on a new ideological front against the West in the comments sections of Fox News, Huffington Post, The Blaze, Politico, and WorldNetDaily.
The bizarre hive of social media activity appears to be part of a two-pronged Kremlin campaign to claim control over the internet, launching a million-dollar army of trolls to mold American public opinion as it cracks down on internet freedom at home.
“Foreign media are currently actively forming a negative image of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the global community,” one of the project’s team members, Svetlana Boiko, wrote in a strategy document. “Additionally, the discussions formed by comments to those articles are also negative in tone.
“Like any brand formed by popular opinion, Russia has its supporters (‘brand advocates’) and its opponents. The main problem is that in the foreign internet community, the ratio of supporters and opponents of Russia is about 20/80 respectively.”
The documents show instructions provided to the commenters that detail the workload expected of them. On an average working day, the Russians are to post on news articles 50 times. Each blogger is to maintain six Facebook accounts publishing at least three posts a day and discussing the news in groups at least twice a day. By the end of the first month, they are expected to have won 500 subscribers and get at least five posts on each item a day. On Twitter, the bloggers are expected to manage 10 accounts with up to 2,000 followers and tweet 50 times a day.

www.buzzfeed.com...

originally posted by: dragonridr
Here i found this interesting talks about How Putin is hiring people to change the narrative on Ukraine. They go onto western blogs and media sites to disrupt conversations and try to change the narrative so its favorable to Russia,
im guessing this is going to be common in the 21st century trolls trying to change the narrative.

Russia’s campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin’s message on the comments section of top American websites.
Plans attached to emails leaked by a mysterious Russian hacker collective show IT managers reporting on a new ideological front against the West in the comments sections of Fox News, Huffington Post, The Blaze, Politico, and WorldNetDaily.
The bizarre hive of social media activity appears to be part of a two-pronged Kremlin campaign to claim control over the internet, launching a million-dollar army of trolls to mold American public opinion as it cracks down on internet freedom at home.
“Foreign media are currently actively forming a negative image of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the global community,” one of the project’s team members, Svetlana Boiko, wrote in a strategy document. “Additionally, the discussions formed by comments to those articles are also negative in tone.
“Like any brand formed by popular opinion, Russia has its supporters (‘brand advocates’) and its opponents. The main problem is that in the foreign internet community, the ratio of supporters and opponents of Russia is about 20/80 respectively.”
The documents show instructions provided to the commenters that detail the workload expected of them. On an average working day, the Russians are to post on news articles 50 times. Each blogger is to maintain six Facebook accounts publishing at least three posts a day and discussing the news in groups at least twice a day. By the end of the first month, they are expected to have won 500 subscribers and get at least five posts on each item a day. On Twitter, the bloggers are expected to manage 10 accounts with up to 2,000 followers and tweet 50 times a day.

www.buzzfeed.com...

the troll has spoken about trolling, lol.
Man post some updates on events in Ukraine stop trolling. This thread is about updates in Ukraine.

post fighting footage in Seminovka, quite messy.

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr
Here i found this interesting talks about How Putin is hiring people to change the narrative on Ukraine. They go onto western blogs and media sites to disrupt conversations and try to change the narrative so its favorable to Russia,
im guessing this is going to be common in the 21st century trolls trying to change the narrative.

Russia’s campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin’s message on the comments section of top American websites.
Plans attached to emails leaked by a mysterious Russian hacker collective show IT managers reporting on a new ideological front against the West in the comments sections of Fox News, Huffington Post, The Blaze, Politico, and WorldNetDaily.
The bizarre hive of social media activity appears to be part of a two-pronged Kremlin campaign to claim control over the internet, launching a million-dollar army of trolls to mold American public opinion as it cracks down on internet freedom at home.
“Foreign media are currently actively forming a negative image of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the global community,” one of the project’s team members, Svetlana Boiko, wrote in a strategy document. “Additionally, the discussions formed by comments to those articles are also negative in tone.
“Like any brand formed by popular opinion, Russia has its supporters (‘brand advocates’) and its opponents. The main problem is that in the foreign internet community, the ratio of supporters and opponents of Russia is about 20/80 respectively.”
The documents show instructions provided to the commenters that detail the workload expected of them. On an average working day, the Russians are to post on news articles 50 times. Each blogger is to maintain six Facebook accounts publishing at least three posts a day and discussing the news in groups at least twice a day. By the end of the first month, they are expected to have won 500 subscribers and get at least five posts on each item a day. On Twitter, the bloggers are expected to manage 10 accounts with up to 2,000 followers and tweet 50 times a day.

www.buzzfeed.com...

the troll has spoken about trolling, lol.
Man post some updates on events in Ukraine stop trolling. This thread is about updates in Ukraine.

Well it is about ukraine read the article also explains why we see so much misinformation when it comes to Ukraine. By the way insulting people is a T&C violation might want to read the rules before you attack people you could get banned.

border post in Lugansk between the fights, not sure how this all ended.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr
Here i found this interesting talks about How Putin is hiring people to change the narrative on Ukraine. They go onto western blogs and media sites to disrupt conversations and try to change the narrative so its favorable to Russia,
im guessing this is going to be common in the 21st century trolls trying to change the narrative.

Russia’s campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin’s message on the comments section of top American websites.
Plans attached to emails leaked by a mysterious Russian hacker collective show IT managers reporting on a new ideological front against the West in the comments sections of Fox News, Huffington Post, The Blaze, Politico, and WorldNetDaily.
The bizarre hive of social media activity appears to be part of a two-pronged Kremlin campaign to claim control over the internet, launching a million-dollar army of trolls to mold American public opinion as it cracks down on internet freedom at home.
“Foreign media are currently actively forming a negative image of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the global community,” one of the project’s team members, Svetlana Boiko, wrote in a strategy document. “Additionally, the discussions formed by comments to those articles are also negative in tone.
“Like any brand formed by popular opinion, Russia has its supporters (‘brand advocates’) and its opponents. The main problem is that in the foreign internet community, the ratio of supporters and opponents of Russia is about 20/80 respectively.”
The documents show instructions provided to the commenters that detail the workload expected of them. On an average working day, the Russians are to post on news articles 50 times. Each blogger is to maintain six Facebook accounts publishing at least three posts a day and discussing the news in groups at least twice a day. By the end of the first month, they are expected to have won 500 subscribers and get at least five posts on each item a day. On Twitter, the bloggers are expected to manage 10 accounts with up to 2,000 followers and tweet 50 times a day.

www.buzzfeed.com...

the troll has spoken about trolling, lol.
Man post some updates on events in Ukraine stop trolling. This thread is about updates in Ukraine.

Well it is about ukraine read the article also explains why we see so much misinformation when it comes to Ukraine. By the way insulting people is a T&C violation might want to read the rules before you attack people you could get banned.

I think you are the one who should read. Once again this thread is about updates on events in Ukraine.
There are other threads on Ukraine as well. You might post about trolling there or even open a new thread.
Misinformation? Yesterday you tried to convince us that 'people from wood' used RPG's to attack the building in Lugansk.


Ambush on column of BTRs yesterday, taken from inside of BTR.