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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 29 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: ALoveSupreme

Being the Nazis hijacked the symbol from antiquityI really don't see the need for a swastika argument.



The swastika (卐) (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is a symbol that generally takes the form of an equilateral cross, with its four arms bent at 90 degrees. The earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization as well as the Mediterranean Classical Antiquity and paleolithic Europe. Swastikas have been used in various other ancient civilizations around the world including Turkic, India, Iran, Armenia, Nepal, China, Japan, and Europe. However in Korea, this symbol (卐) is only considered as a symbol of Nazi, Hakenkreuz. On the contrary, the symbol with the opposite direction (卍) is used as a symbol of Buddhism.[1] At least in Korea, only the symbol with the anticlockwise arms has the similar meaning of swastika. Notice the different direction. [2] It represents the principle originating the universe, or life (Brahman), with the four swirling arms representing the four directions of the manifest universe (the four faces of Brahma).[3] It remains widely used in Indian religions and Far Eastern religions.

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" (meaning "good" or "auspicious") combined with "asti" (meaning "being")[citation needed], along with the diminutive suffix "ka." The swastika literally means "well-being." It is a common practice for Hindus to draw Swastika symbols on the doors and entrances to their houses during festivals, which is believed to symbolize an invitation to goddess Lakshmi.[4] The name "sauwastika" is sometimes given to the left-facing arms symbol, which is a mirror image of swastika (卍).[5]

The symbol has a long history in Europe reaching back to antiquity. In modern times, following a brief surge of popularity as a good luck symbol in Western culture, a swastika was adopted as a symbol of the Nazi Party of Germany in 1920, who used the swastika as a symbol of the Aryan race. A right-facing 45° rotated swastika was incorporated into the flag of the Nazi Party, which was made the state flag of Germany during the Nazi era, after Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933. Hence in many western countries the swastika is stigmatized as being associated with Nazism and related concepts like antisemitism, hatred, violence, death, and murder.[6] Notably, the swastika has been outlawed in Germany and other countries if used as a symbol of Nazism in certain instances. Many modern white nationalist and Neo-Nazi groups such as the Russian National Unity use stylized swastikas or similar symbols



The symbol is all the Pro Russians have left to try and justify Putins actions. Without an enemy of this magnitude Pro Russians cant make their argument believable as to why Russia invaded Ukraine.

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posted on May, 29 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

There are certainly Chechen mercenaries available for hire, but they also answer to Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov, who is fiercely loyal to Putin. Kadyrov has denied sending anyone to fight in Ukraine, but in an otherwise hard-to-explain twist, he personally negotiated the recent release of two Russian journalists held by pro-Ukraine forces. It is inconceivable that Kadyrov would send fighters to Ukraine without Moscow's approval or, more likely, instructions.

This conflict is following a script more than 20 years old: Russia intervenes in its ex-Soviet neighborhood using “volunteers,” including Chechens, and unmarked Russian military equipment to provide deniability.


As I have been warning, the Kadyrovtsy are a GRU-trained paramilitary force with perfect plausible deniability. They have been used in and around Chechnya (e.g. neighboring Dagestan) to carry out the most brutal acts of repression and torture with the Kremlin's approval for many years. Kadyrovtsy and its related mercenary corporation, Alfa-Tsentr are the paramilitary hand of Putin and their relevance in this conflict should now be apparent to everyone. These are unconventional forces essentially under control by organized crime. The only thing comparable globally are maybe the special forces of Mexico's narcotics trafficking cartels.
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posted on May, 29 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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The very big question right now is why are the Kadyrovtsy/Alfa-Tsentr mercenaries of 'Vostok battalion' purging the DPR?

Did they disobey GRU orders somehow?

Does it have to do something with the 33 Russian nationals killed in the airport operation?



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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New dispatch from VICE's Simon Ostrovsky.

An escalation of violence in Sloviansk amid influx of more Russian national mercenaries and weapons...


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posted on May, 29 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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Ukrainian military helicopter shot down

www.cnn.com...



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
Ukrainian military helicopter shot down

www.cnn.com...


This was also Slovyansk.



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 07:25 PM
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I just started a new topic based on a very recent and insightful academic paper from Poland on Russian information warfare.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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Eastern Ukraine has woken up to airstrikes and shelling - as the army resumes what it calls an anti-terrorist operation. It is focused on Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Fighting is reported in and around the two cities, with smoke rising from industrial and residential areas. FULL STORY: on.rt.com...





posted on May, 29 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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major fights in Olexandrivsk yesterday
Google translation



in the village Olexandrivsk Lugansk republic army soldiers surrounded the Southeast division Natsgvardii.
Lugansk volunteers were armed with assault rifles, machine guns and grenade launchers. They surrounded the division into eight vehicles "KamAZ".
During the fight as a result of direct hits in the warehouse of weapons, ammunition and detonated a few hours there were explosions.
natsgvardiya After the battle left the territory of B / W 3035, which is deployed in paragraph Oleksandrivsk, five km. from Lugansk. As a result of battle burned equipment natsgvardii one militiaman was wounded, taken prisoner twenty soldiers Ukraine. Video shot by Oleg Beskaravayny.





destroyed ammunition depot during the said fightings




posted on May, 29 2014 @ 08:40 PM
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People of Germany met Yatsenuk, shouting "terrorists and murderers"





posted on May, 29 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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It seems separatists in Eastern part are not well armed and coordinated. And despite the general belief, they are not really Russian Special Forces. A dozen SFs which are well armed can create a havoc in a given area and quickly destroy multiple targets and disappear in the thin air.

Separatists need to be armed with Igla anti aircraft type weapons that can make it very very risky for Kiev to send in airplanes and helicopters full of troops and ammunition. The ofcourse are RPGs 7 and 29 grade and anti-material sniper rifles that can take out tanks and APCs.

Russia needs to supply these in earnest and good numbers to the pro-Russia elements and make it an Afghanistan for Kiev. Soon soldiers will refuse to even fight and desert in droves.

Kiev is better of giving independence to the Eastern region and focus on whatever is left of the country they once had. Idiots !!



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 08:59 PM
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Major update, it looks like conflict is now spreading to Kharkov region as well.





Unknown column Kharkov guerrillas fired punitive troops returning from Slavic. The greatest damage was closing "Kamaz". Truck pierced by bullets, no glasses.

The ambush was organized in Kharkov region, near the Raisin.

At least several people were killed and several injured. Came to the place of several machines "Ambulance".

After the attack, the group went to Zelenka, followed sluggishly followed Ukrainian soldiers. Fight yet, sometimes handed single shots.

The road is completely blocked frightened military, nobody passed and are not allowed. When you try to put a face to come into the ground.

One dead natsgvardeets lying on the pavement. Near the investigation team works.
rusvesna.su...





posted on May, 29 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Putin has consistently maintained Russia has nothing in this fight and has not and will not send resources into Ukraine. Are you suggesting Putin should lie and do it anyways? Secondly, if it does do that then are other nations not open to return the same to Russia and support anti Putin forces in Russia?


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posted on May, 29 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
It seems separatists in Eastern part are not well armed and coordinated. And despite the general belief, they are not really Russian Special Forces. A dozen SFs which are well armed can create a havoc in a given area and quickly destroy multiple targets and disappear in the thin air.

Separatists need to be armed with Igla anti aircraft type weapons that can make it very very risky for Kiev to send in airplanes and helicopters full of troops and ammunition. The ofcourse are RPGs 7 and 29 grade and anti-material sniper rifles that can take out tanks and APCs.

Russia needs to supply these in earnest and good numbers to the pro-Russia elements and make it an Afghanistan for Kiev. Soon soldiers will refuse to even fight and desert in droves.

Kiev is better of giving independence to the Eastern region and focus on whatever is left of the country they once had. Idiots !!



I have no doubt that more advanced weaponry, especially anti-aircraft weapons is crossing the border on daily basis.
Also worth to note that number of local people joining resistance forces is growing daily in numbers as you can see in this clip. This is a training camp for new members of local resistance forces


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posted on May, 29 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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All the more reason for NATO involvement now.



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova

All the more reason for NATO involvement now.



why is that? Is Ukraine a NATO member?
By the way, I have no doubt that US is doing everything possible in assisting Junta forces apart from sending troops.
Intelligence, cookies...you name it.



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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well more trouble for Junta.
Protest against military operations, right in front of Parliament building in Kiev, yesterday.




this is a longer version of same event


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posted on May, 29 2014 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova

All the more reason for NATO involvement now.



why is that? Is Ukraine a NATO member?
By the way, I have no doubt that US is doing everything possible in assisting Junta forces apart from sending troops.
Intelligence, cookies...you name it.


If NATO gets involved in Ukraine then NATO might not leave Afghanistan for next two decades. Even after 2014 with the end of combat operations, a soldier in Afghanistan will cost $200K a year. In active combat, the annual cost is $2M a year per soldier.

Putin can support rebels by declaring some weapons warehouse was raided and items stolen. A General and 5 other officers got fired as security was breached under his watch. Very intense search for weapons is on............

Then these weapons show up in rebels hand and negate the Kiev's ability to involve air assets with total freedom. RPG7 and higher grade can be make in crude but effective forms in any factory the size of a garage. In Afghanistan you get them cheaply. Ukraine does not have M1-A1 type tanks that can withstand the RPG-7 assault. Old T-72s, T-64s that Ukraine has would be very much hurt in a close range RPG hit.

End of the day, Putin supplied weapons and on paper he still did not.



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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if it does do that then are other nations not open to return the same to Russia and support anti Putin forces in Russia?
a reply to: Xcathdra

The nations that supply anti Russia forces will have to pay the price of their endevours !! What is Russia starts to use its satellite technology to inform AQ elements as when a drone has taken off and is approaching such and such area?? What will that do to Obama's Drone Warfare ??

Also, refer to the reply with Afghanistan example.

Also go to Chechnya now and try to find willing men to play anti-Russia war games. Would not meet much success !!

5-10 years ago was different. Now Chechens are more busy working and living normal lives.



posted on May, 29 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: victor7

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova

All the more reason for NATO involvement now.



why is that? Is Ukraine a NATO member?
By the way, I have no doubt that US is doing everything possible in assisting Junta forces apart from sending troops.
Intelligence, cookies...you name it.


If NATO gets involved in Ukraine then NATO might not leave Afghanistan for next two decades. Even after 2014 with the end of combat operations, a soldier in Afghanistan will cost $200K a year. In active combat, the annual cost is $2M a year per soldier.

Putin can support rebels by declaring some weapons warehouse was raided and items stolen. A General and 5 other officers got fired as security was breached under his watch. Very intense search for weapons is on............

Then these weapons show up in rebels hand and negate the Kiev's ability to involve air assets with total freedom. RPG7 and higher grade can be make in crude but effective forms in any factory the size of a garage. In Afghanistan you get them cheaply. Ukraine does not have M1-A1 type tanks that can withstand the RPG-7 assault. Old T-72s, T-64s that Ukraine has would be very much hurt in a close range RPG hit.

End of the day, Putin supplied weapons and on paper he still did not.



I stated plenty of times, Russia will never get involved officially by sending troops, tanks,etc.
Providing weapons and volunteers is all Russia will do. They know Russians in Ukraine will wake up and it is happening already. There is about 8 million Russians in Eastern parts of Former Ukraine. That is a lot of people, there are many countries in Europe with less people. Once all those people stand against Junta that is the end.
Novorossiya is reality, more and more every single day, it will spread to other regions as per my post above in regards to Kharkiv. Ukraine will split no doubt about that, the only question is what will be the final damage.
As you can see people in Kiev are now concerned with military operations Junta is conducting.

People of Europe are well aware of what is going on in Former Ukraine. See above how they protest in Germany.
I posted a video about protest in Italy recently.
Or have a look at this picture from Bulgaria. No to fascism.
'Down with Kiev Junta'
'NATO out of Europe'.



EU stand on Ukraine crisis was a bad idea and it shows in recent EU elections, where parties not keen on EU idea won
some major votes, France for example. They do not want to be US puppets and jeopardise their own economy.

US/EU caused a big mess in Ukraine and not just Ukraine but in EU as well.
Sanctions by EU on Russia were dumb move. Plain stupid and unnecessary.

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