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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 11:30 PM
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OPINION EUROPE
Behind Putin's Cynicism and Hypocrisy
The Kremlin's ruler wants to extend to neighboring countries the tyranny he imposes on his own people.




You can usually figure what Russian President Vladimir Putin is doing and why by noting the actions and values he falsely projects onto others.

Over the past several weeks, for example, he has accused the Ukrainian government of stripping autonomy from Ukraine's eastern regions, while moving to end local elections in Russia.

He has claimed U.S. "mercenaries" were operating alongside Ukrainian forces, while infiltrating Russian special forces to seize Crimea and organize violence in Ukraine's east.

He has called the Internet a CIA creation, while trying to bring Russian social media under the control of a secret police-dominated state.

So when Mr. Putin justified intervention in Ukraine by accusing its government of human-rights abuses, it was a bad sign for the Ukrainians who would soon be subject to his rule.

The new authorities in Kiev aren't perfect. But international organizations have found no evidence that they are or were suppressing the rights of the ethnic-Russian minority in Crimea or Ukraine's east. Pro-Kremlin separatists, on the other hand, have been attacking their unarmed opponents with growing abandon. Every offense Russia falsely attributed to Ukraine's Maidan is in fact being committed by its own forces and proxies.


online.wsj.com...




posted on May, 18 2014 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr
Maybe just maybe the whole Russian scenario of NAZIs taking over Ukraine is propaganda started by Putin a

Really? the Russian scenario of NAZIs taking over Ukraine is propaganda started by Putin? i had number of sources, links and threads on the issue before this even turned into an issue.

I had links and pictures of The Fascists that you strongly deny of them taking over in Kiev and in around Ukrainian parliament.

including the UN.
Why bother on mentioning the UN? the same UN that has lied for countless of times before, just look the UN even they allowed the Iraqi war to happen even though there mandate states they are here to prevent conflicts not let them occur.


it appears the rest of the world isnt buying it

Which world are you talking about? the one where America controls the majority of its politicians and they install an pro Washington thug that would always listen to its paymasters? is that the world your talking about? or are you talking about that world where America still occupies Japan and Europe installs there own selected leaders that would be favorable to America and to the Euporean Union and the IMF,world bank.


. See partly because the use of terms like Junta and NAZIs makes Russians look bad on the world stage
Why does that make look them bad? maybe because Russia hasn't joined with this One Single Europe Entity? or more rather its because Russia speaks the truth.

Your beloved America created a mess in Libya and look at Libya its falling apart. So dont try your luck.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 11:38 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

As i mentioned your only posting Western Sources links which they have there reporters supporting the Junta government.
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 11:43 PM
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Since we are on topic. Here are some of my threads on the matters of Ukraine.

Exclusive: McCain Flies to Ukraine as Protests Rage John McCain to Show Solidarity with the Svoboda

Pro EU protesters Chant Death To Russia, 2013




It occurred right where the blue stage is in the middle of the section of the square. In the image Of course this wasn't the only time that the Ukrainian opposition has chanted Death to Russia but their second time. The first time was on Dec 1. Right before they gained the major international head ways onto the MSM outlets. Is this alarming? yes it is. For the video evidence. I have being collecting for a bigger thread on this matter. -


As an update i have enough pics,sources and other sources for the thread as i mentioned earlier in 2013. It saddens me that war mongers, interventionists, McCain supporters are taking over this update thread.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: dragonridr

As i mentioned your only posting Western Sources links which they have there reporters supporting the Junta government.


No ive even posted RT articles has nothing to do with it. See your showing bias that all western media is all lies. Problem is RT keeps getting caught in lies and western media for the most part is remaining indifferent. See Ukraine isnt even a major topic like it is on RT. See right now RT is recycling old stories nothing new since the referendum. I have a feeling this is because sepratists are starting to lose power in eastern Ukraine it also explains the turn around by Putin who keeps now looking towards negotiating there way out of this.

See many Ukrainians were not going to get involved in this until the separatists over played there hand. Many people in Eastern Ukraine dont like Kievs new government mostly because they bought into alot of propaganda. But even propaganda is based on some truths. Problem was Eastern Ukrainians dont want Russia to take over for many reasons including financial. Now that they see this there starting to say enough is enough this has gone to far. What will happen is one of two things will see Eastern Ukraine have a civil war or more likely Eastern Ukrainians will negotiate with Kiev on more control locally and separatists will be pushed aside since they are a minority group.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 12:28 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

See your showing bias that all western media is all lies.
What bias? the fact that i am saying the way it is? all what the western media news outlets is do nothing but report lies and after that they just copy and paste, and repeat the same news for the next two days until either something appears or comes out.

I am not showing any bias thats a fact, if you dont believe me just look at the news sources that you just provided and had posted.


I have a feeling this is because sepratists are starting to lose power in eastern Ukraine
Thats your opinion because that's what the western media news outlets made you to believe that the sepratists are starting to lose to power but in reality they arent losing power the real freedom fighters are gaining support each by the day as the day passes even.

I guess you would still believe the news if they told you Assad was weak and he would lose any day now right?


Problem is RT keeps getting caught in lies
What lies? so far Russia Today is the only news outlet that has being posting the actual facts when it comes to the matter of the Ukrainian issue and Russia Today even discuss topic that your beloved western news outlets wont bother Hench thats why they are so low in ratings.





See right now RT is recycling old stories nothing new since the referendum.

Yet Western News Outlets arent even recycling old stories nothing new since the referendum to? the way i have seen they are recycling old stories nothing new since the referendum to.



Many people in Eastern Ukraine dont like Kievs new government mostly because they bought into alot of propaganda.

Unfortunately your line of argument is rather weak, the reason the majority of the people in Eastern Ukraine dont like Kievs unelected government is because they have stripped them of there rights, freedom and jobs, and even there language.


Apparently it seems that you dont know that your beloved KIEV Government created a law which it outlaws the Russian language but hey according to you thats fine.




they bought into alot of propaganda

Very weak argument you got there.





Problem was Eastern Ukrainians dont want Russia to take over for many reasons including financial.

Eastern Ukrainians want to be independent from the EU and Ukraine and they know they cant do it without Russia. So your wrong on that part.


more likely Eastern Ukrainians will negotiate with Kiev on more control locally and separatists will be pushed aside since they are a minority group.

After what the Junta/ Kiev forces whom that you support did in odessa by burning protesters while alive do you think that they will would seek an negotiation with an unelected fascist installed controlled government by America and NATO, EU?

Hench Do explain why did the German Officials had visited the Pro EU protesters in Kiev in 2013 along with John McCain and other state officials.
Did they do it for a free ride? nope it was all about the current IMF/WorldBank deal.

I will be waiting for an actual reply from you.
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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

there is no law banning the Russian language it was brought up in the Duma by more ratical members as retailiation for Crimea it was shot down however but once again RT didnt tell you that. As far as Russian television there lying to people here read this.

inforesist.org...



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 12:48 AM
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That inforesist source isn't even reliable as i even had noticed apparently the creators of the site dont know anything on the history of the Ukrainian matter.


Caught in A lie




When we will win, and we will win, and only then, historians will write: Soviet grand experiment is over. Project “Russian and Soviet empire” is destroyed.


This author of the article apparently is seemingly pro German, seeing how they or he have missed a number of years.




there is no law banning the Russian language it was brought up in the Duma

Oh but there is, its even translated by a good freind of mine. Even a bit of its was mentioned on the Guardian a few agos week.


As far as Russian television there lying to people here read this.

Really? is that the best defense you have for defending your beloved Junta forces?




once again RT didnt tell you that.

Your starting to sound a lot like more of Sen John McCain when he attacks Russia Today and thus so far you avoided my earlier pointers.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Pretty much inforesist is all Anti Russian, with no actual sources with the exception of the YouTube videos. And quite ridicules inaccurate articles trying to prove a point and if i haven't seen anything that web site seems to have being made by bunch of high school, college kids as a project assignment rather then an actual website.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Still waiting for an Reply to my earlier post.




Hench Do explain why did the German Officials had visited the Pro EU protesters in Kiev in 2013 along with John McCain and other state officials.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: dragonridr



Maybe just maybe the whole Russian scenario of NAZIs taking over Ukraine is propaganda started by Putin and it appears the rest of the world isnt buying it including the UN. See partly because the use of terms like Junta and NAZIs makes Russians look bad on the world stage that kind of propaganda may fly in Russia but in the real world it just looks sad and petty.


I was in Kiev in mid-March, and I saw it with my own eyes! There ARE Nazi elements! I can´t say exactly, how much influence they have, but if they had NO influence, I´m sure this banner would not be there!

media.mcclatchydc.com...



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: dragonridr

Pretty much inforesist is all Anti Russian, with no actual sources with the exception of the YouTube videos. And quite ridicules inaccurate articles trying to prove a point and if i haven't seen anything that web site seems to have being made by bunch of high school, college kids as a project assignment rather then an actual website.



Notice you cant disprove what they say so you attack the source. Poor debating tactic i might add see to you anything that shows the NAZIs in the Kremlin to be lying is automatically dismissed. Sad really you should take the time to look at the big picture instead of just throwing around words like NAZI and Junta first its obvious you dont even truly understand the word. If anything Junta actually applies to the separatists more so then KIEV and asfar as NAZIs goes Putin has aligned himself with ultra nationalists in Russia. But you choose not to see reality but even in Russia others do right now nationalism is huge in Russia much like Germany was. And Putin is also ignoring borders and has little understanding on what a border is. No matter what you think reality you cant get around facts.

As far as Ukraine doesnt matter really which way this falls in the end Russia played a very high price to play this game. And no matter the outcome has done severe damage to there economy over Ukraine. But let me ask you this if you truly believe the US is behind this do you really think there going to let Russia come out of this ok? Reality is if they were there going to create another Afghanistan for Russia. Years of fighting with armed forces getting help from the EU and US. So you better hope the US isnt as involved as you like to think or there wont even be a russia in a couple of years it will be owned by Bejing.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 03:23 AM
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Poor debating tactic
Excuse me? i have Poor debating tactics? i have being debating for a quite while and i know actually what you trying to do here. You remind like those people that were on twitter and the Guardian whom were doing the exact the same thing copy and paste.



Notice you cant disprove what they say so you attack the source.
Yup pretty much your going back and forward by claiming that i failed to disprove the source which i already did the thing is you just avoided it.




i might add see to you anything that shows the NAZIs in the Kremlin to be lying is automatically dismissed. Sad really you should take the time to look at the big picture instead of just throwing around words like NAZI and Junta first its obvious you dont even truly understand the word. If anything Junta actually applies to the separatists more so then KIEV and asfar as NAZIs goes Putin has aligned himself with ultra nationalists in Russia. B


I wont even bother to debate with this you as of right now as i have and had debated this with other fascist supporters and American Right Wingers in the past on this alleged nonsense.


nationalism is huge in Russia much like Germany was
How many BASES does Russia in the world have Kiev Supporter? answer 1. And that only in Syria and its only naval port.

f you truly believe the US is behind
So let me get this straight since 2008 you dont believe that Iraq was due to America's involvement it was all Saddam fault not America's fault.

The destruction was mainly due to Saddam not America and America wasn't even involved behind the pure destruction of Libya's national identity and leaving them in total chaos beyond repair.



as you like to think or there wont even be a russia in a couple of years it will be owned by Bejing.
I would rather say the opposite this to you. In very short few years there wont be an American nor an Euporean Union more then would be an Russia.

Russia has survived for years and years. Don't forget One thing newbie America's wealth is owned by the IMF, World bank.

Its rather ironic for you to claim and attack me by claiming that i have poor debating tactic? yeah i am sure they are poor because i dont agree with your POV.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: cm23

I have seen plenty of those posters in Kiev from pictures through my trusted sources. I believe you.




I can´t say exactly, how much influence they have


Pretty much there influence in those political parties in Ukraine Western areas and in Kiev wouldn't be made possible without the aid and the
involvement of non-governmental organizations including the one led by Sen John McCain. These NGOs not only provide fast selling of shirts but also they have better tools to contact each groups the same they tried in Syria but failed.

As in Egypt.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

The issue is not Russian nationalism or Ukrainian nationalism.

Any nationalism defined by narrow interests will always backfire.

The issue in Ukraine is different. West is trying to make Ukraine a spearhead against Russia, that has strong impact on the sense of security and stability of Russia. Russia has been forced into taking a course that it may not have wanted.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

WAY TO MISS MY POST CLARIFYING WHAT I ACTUALLY MEANT. I LATER SPECIFIED WHAT I MEANT. Stop cherry picking and actually keep up please.

Anyway according to reports the rusians are losing ground due to ukrainians pushing against the referendum cheaters.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 09:52 AM
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Anyway according to reports the rusians are losing ground due to ukrainians pushing against the referendum cheaters.


That would just be propaganda from the west, because if a Russian media source doesn't say it it isn't happening or at least that is what some members would like you to believe.


But it is good to see them pushing back for what they believe in.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 10:13 AM
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A video released by Ukraine's defense ministry shows their detaining of separatists along with two embedded Russian 'journalists' from Life News. They were found to be carrying a type of MANPADS allegedly not in Ukrainian military stocks -- possibly more evidence of direct Russian military support.




posted on May, 19 2014 @ 11:02 AM
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Along with a close-up of the documents of two LifeNews journalists, the video showed some journalistic equipment, a pile of Ukrainian hrivnyas and Russian rubles, and a MANPAD with inscriptions in Polish. The third man shown kneeling on the ground was not identified. a reply to: ALoveSupreme



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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I am sure your going to support these claims.

Ukraine deputy security council head Siumar says Russian journalists are terrorists because they film attacks on army.

Welcome to the EU.




separatists along with two embedded Russian 'journalists' from Life News. They were found to be carrying a type of MANPADS allegedly not in Ukrainian military stocks -- possibly more evidence of direct Russian military support

Ah really? they actually,allegedly ,allegedly is the word here and nice to see that your supporting armed thugs kidnapping journalists.



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