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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: cosmonova

Russia cuts Ukraine's gas then Kiev Junta starts to siphon off from the gas going to Europe or even cut off Europe bound gas.

Then Kremlin invades.............what Kiev is conducting is economic war..........hitting the strategic economic interests.

This brew is getting strong.

Junta in Kiev needs to go to Moscow and make up for the mistakes or we will see some really big mess.


Junta is done. They have destroyed Ukraine as united state. There is no more Ukraine as we know it.
Moscow does not want to deal with them as they do not represent Ukrainians, they only represent US interests.
Kremlin is patient and will wait until economy completely collapse, which is not far away. That is the time when people will finally realize catastrophic results Junta had in a short period of time. God help Junta after that.



What many might say the obvious results of unintended consequences.

I wonder what options the western Ukrainians may have if they wish to defect to the east. Or even vise versa....

I honestly can't imagine even for a minute that this is the results US/NATO were looking for.

So what's the score now?

After tallying the results from the two proxy wars (Syria/Ukraine) I have: Putin 2 to Obama 0.






US/NATO were looking to initiate exactly what is happening right now in Ukraine, with a major miscalculation.
They have expected to see Russian involvement like the one we saw in Georgia which would cause a lot of trouble for Russian economy and possible disapproval in Russia itself. Ukraine would be like Georgia x 10 for Russia. Not worth it.
Putin and Kremlin fellas are to smart for that.
What they are doing is just sit and wait for people in Ukraine to wake up and take initiative against Junta which is doing nothing but minimizing any idea of united Ukraine as well as pushing the economy to collapse. It has started with Lugansk and Donetsk region but will probably extend to Harkiv, Odessa and other regions as well soon. Military operation is the biggest mistake Junta made. It has caused completely opposite effect from what they expected.
You cannot win people by killing them, oppressing them and declining their basic rights, rights for self determination.
That is what we used to see in South America in 70' where fascist government ruled the countries.
As soon as you used arms against your people you failed as Government, period.
Many here believed Russia will move in with military invasion, but that is not the case, it will not happen.
Kremlin is counting on people in Ukraine to stand up against Junta. And that is exactly what is happening right now in Donbass and what will happen in other parts of Ukraine.
As for Western Ukraine, I believe they will make some kind of union with Poland and possible join EU in 2o years time,
if EU doesn't collapse by then. Those people have nothing in common with people from Eastern Ukraine.
It just shows that Ukraine is an artificial state.




posted on May, 12 2014 @ 07:50 PM
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This was event from yesterday in Slovyansk region




Militia fired Natsgvardiyu Ukraine
Slavic folk militia attacked a base Natsgvardii. Representatives of self-defense command headquarters claim that troops were under attack and nationalists, who previously shot civilians at checkpoints near Bylbasovka, fish farm, and fodder plant Krestisch

As the correspondent of LifeNews from the scene, the militias have used self-propelled artillery gun (NONA) 120mm caliber and airborne combat vehicle. According to the volunteers, they were able to detect base Natsgvardii and "right sector" through exploration. Warehouses were shot with guns and ammunition.

Militia told that they had made ​​two attacks: in 4:44 they fired base near Karachun, and 14:00 - near the feed mill. At first base defense forces found two batteries D-30 howitzers, two mortar batteries, one battery "Grad" (4 units), two batteries of self-propelled artillery system (ACS). At second base were two 120-millimeter mortar, four armored personnel carriers, heavy machine guns and two platoons of soldiers

- Enemy demoralized and suffered considerable losses in manpower and equipment, - said the representative of self-defense command headquarters Sloviansk.


www.youtube.com...
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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: cosmonova

Russia cuts Ukraine's gas then Kiev Junta starts to siphon off from the gas going to Europe or even cut off Europe bound gas.

Then Kremlin invades.............what Kiev is conducting is economic war..........hitting the strategic economic interests.

This brew is getting strong.

Junta in Kiev needs to go to Moscow and make up for the mistakes or we will see some really big mess.


Junta is done. They have destroyed Ukraine as united state. There is no more Ukraine as we know it.
Moscow does not want to deal with them as they do not represent Ukrainians, they only represent US interests.
Kremlin is patient and will wait until economy completely collapse, which is not far away. That is the time when people will finally realize catastrophic results Junta had in a short period of time. God help Junta after that.



In your other post a very strong point was made and needs to be looked very seriously by the Ukrainians. I.E. The western Ukraine people need to decide what they want to do. Junta has hurt this country very bad and acted as if they (Junta) are not Ukrainian citizens but high paid Employees of DC/LONDON/CIA/NATO/EU. Everything that Junta did came back to hurt the common Ukrainian people and their basic interests.

May 25th will decide what Ukranian people want. I wonder if Russia should cut off gas right away itself.

Also wonder if EU will be able to accommodate $15B a year of export business that Russia gives to Ukrainian industries.



posted on May, 12 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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I think it is High time for 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galician" boys of Right Sector and Svoboda to quietly pack their bags and disappear into EU nations as refugees, illegals, asylum seekers, dishwashers, prostitutes etc.

That's because angry Russians have proven to be "immensely brutal".



posted on May, 12 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: yuppa
Correction Former chief of staff to Yanukovych wounded, not killed
www.theglobeandmail.com...
The United States says it does not recognize the results of “so-called” referendums held on Sunday
www.voanews.com...
Shocking..


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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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can anyone else see a sarcasm in the comment from Kremlin regarding additional sanctions from EU?
As they are trying to be serious, but cannot stop giggling?
I mean 2 Crimean companies and 13 more people, seriously?



Moscow expressed disappointment over the EU’s newly imposed sanctions against Russia, stressing that it is not worthy of the European Union.

“Instead of trying to solve the situation through de-escalation, disarmament of the Right Sector, improvement of dialogue between Kiev’s authorities and Ukrainian regions, EU colleagues are demonstrating a one-sided and one-dimensional policy, not worthy of the European Union,” Itar-Tass quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov as saying.

Further sanctions were introduced on Monday following the results of referendums that have been announced in Donetsk and Lugansk Regions, showing the majority of voters support self-rule, amid an intensified military operation by Kiev which resulted in several deaths.

EU foreign ministers have expanded their sanctions over Russia's actions in Ukraine, adding two Crimean companies and 13 people to the bloc's blacklist, EU diplomats stated.

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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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EMP Attack on US Means 9 Out of 10 Dead Within 12 Months

Look at this video and decide yourself as to why the Human Race and especially NATO nations are spending through their ears to arm up??????????


Only one small EMP attack can do major devastation. This guy is no nonsense expert in security issues !!!

Time to stop all this arms spending and focus on real topics within their own countries.

No NATO or CSTO expansion anywhere would mean problems like Ukraine and Georgia 2008 would not happen.


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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 11:11 PM
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Women of Donbass

A separatist from Donetsk who voted 'yes' to independent People's Republic of Donetsk




A terrorist from Slovyansk, protecting her city from Junta forces


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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
Women of Donbass

A separatist from Donetsk who voted 'yes' to independent People's Republic of Donetsk




A terrorist from Slovyansk, protecting her city from Junta forces



what was this post about?

Model looking girl destroying weed bushes with a machine gun? Do I read it right? And what it signifies?
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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Rosinitiate

Well since Obama is in putins back pocket this was exactly what was expected.they both have stirred up the lies and truth so much i can care less about who is right or wrong and say glass the entire country that way no one wins.



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 12:11 AM
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Russia stopped short of recognizing the outcome of the vote. They stated talks between the groups and Kiev are all that is left.

The only other drama occurring deals with Moldova and their decisions to shut down their airspace and escort a Russian plane carrying one of their vice ministers away from Transnistria. Being the region is a part of Moldova im not entirely sure what Moscow's problem is...



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 12:29 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Russia stopped short of recognizing the outcome of the vote. They stated talks between the groups and Kiev are all that is left.

The only other drama occurring deals with Moldova and their decisions to shut down their airspace and escort a Russian plane carrying one of their vice ministers away from Transnistria. Being the region is a part of Moldova im not entirely sure what Moscow's problem is...


It is as much as part of Moldova as Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Or something in those lines.
I believe there is around 1,500 Russian troops serving as peacekeepers since 1992 after the breakaway from Moldova



Moldova has seized thousands of petitions from the citizens of Transnistria seeking “reunification with Russia” from a Russian delegation’s plane, as politicians had a hard time leaving the breakaway state with all neighboring airspaces closed for them.

“Moldovan secret services on-board our plane are confiscating boxes with Transdniestrians’ signatures for reunification with Russia,” Russian Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin tweeted.

These documents, according to Rogozin, were transferred to him by activists during his visit to Tiraspol for Victory Day celebrations.

“Yesterday we received signatures that were handed to us by activists of the Union of Russian Communities,” the Deputy Prime Minister added.

The politician's assistant has also confirmed that “special forces” have seized the boxes with signatures and have driven them away. Another member of the Russian delegation that visited Tiraspol, the capital of Transnistria, Russian MP Aleksey Zhuravlev said there were more than 30,000 signatures.




Because of the Russian military contingent present in Transnistria, the European Court of Human Rights considers Transnistria "under the effective authority or at least decisive influence of Russia".



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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Separatist human shield tactic pays off, last night Ukrainian positions and the TV tower were attacked with mortar fire from residential areas of Sloviansk:

www.pravda.com.ua...


Terrorists in Slavic night repeatedly shot with mortar positions in Ukrainian security forces and televyshtsi.

"According to the operative data of" Media Resistance "last night in Slavic terrorists repeatedly opened fire on positions of Ukrainian law enforcement officials and to televyshtsi. Bombardment was carried out with mortars", - says Dmitry Timchuk.

"The positions of the terrorists, which was carried out with fire, were placed in the streets of the urban area and Artem" The Forest "- he adds.

"Thus, pro-terrorist tactics used to use civilians as cover - shelling of residential areas are maintained. This greatly complicates the actions of security forces in response," - said Timchuk.



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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A new NATO image showing Russian deployment in Rostov region on May 12th, source Jerry Popowicz:


TwitPic

Another infographic on the situation in Ukraine:




posted on May, 13 2014 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: Dutzy

Don't worry Russia won't invade. It will watch from close borders, the rapid rise in chaos and calamity in Ukraine so much so that Kiev itself declares the country unmanageable.

Ukraine as a nation ceased to exist on Feb 22, do not forget that !!



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 01:10 AM
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Maidan and Antimaidan activists in Mikolaiev come together for a united Ukraine and to prevent provocations and turning the city into a second Odessa or Mariupol:

gordonua.com...


Nikolaev right activists opposing camps - and Evromaydana Antimaydana - decided to join forces to fight in provocations , the website Mukola.net .

In discussing this issue, attended by activists of " people's militia " Evromaydana , Avtomaydana , "right sector " and activists and leaders of the "People's squad Nikolaev " and " voluntary national teams ."

One of the participants , an activist of " Nicholas people's militia " Alexander Golobrodsky , said that the idea of ​​" round table " was born , when he met with longtime friend Victor Spataro , an active participant Antimaydana .

Donbass after the " referendum " . Online coverage

" Literally within 10 minutes we found out that we have no ideological contradictions : we both do not want war , we want to live in a united Ukraine , we say in Russian , we support the rule of law , we are in favor of development, we are not happy last no authority nor the incumbent . we both small entrepreneurs , we want to develop their business in a quiet peaceful town "- said Golobrodsky .

Former ideological adversaries have decided that we need to unite , not to turn into a second Mykolaiv Odessa or second Mariupol .

" In fact, we met up with Sasha , talking on the mat , but came to the conclusion that we really have one goal - to prevent chaos in Nikolaev , regardless of who this mess will do what is ribbon , or what is the name at one or another public organization , "- said Viktor party Antimaydana Spataro .



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 01:11 AM
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a reply to: victor7

Not worried about an invasion at the moment, just sharing new info.



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 01:16 AM
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New 130 page report by OSCE Human Rights Assessment Mission in Ukraine on Human Rights and Minority Rights Situation in Ukraine (over the period March-April):

REPORT



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 01:38 AM
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originally posted by: Dutzy
New 130 page report by OSCE Human Rights Assessment Mission in Ukraine on Human Rights and Minority Rights Situation in Ukraine (over the period March-April):

REPORT




Interesting read thus far... I give it 24 hours before Moscow slams it and dismisses it since it seems to support all sides except pro Russians and Russia herself.

Im guessing this is why Russia was never able to produce the evidence to support their claims.



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 02:32 AM
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That report had no scope to look at maidan activities up to feb time and government activities up to April:-/

What in the hell it is a report about? Russian activists in east Ukraine ? Very one sided

Will read it all later




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