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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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Russian journalist confirmed that Slovyansk are Russian special forces.




He confirms that there is a certain amount of Gopnik, who handed weapon. But the bulk of the military - a specially trained commandos. And he noticed that the effective use of MANPADS means that the weapon used not only people who know how to use it, but also that the weapons that armed core militants, have been issued in the Russian armed units and not from the warehouse of the Crimea, and from the current army. journalist stressed that if the weapons were from a warehouse, then it would not load the battery, such as MANPADS it - a weak and exhausted quickly. A weapon was ready for use. Pavel Felgenhauer also noted one detail: used MANPADS Cost Sensor detection program "- another's" not allowing to shoot at someone. So if it was a weapon of war in the Crimea Ukrainian parts, it would not work and would not fired by Ukrainian helicopters because the locking system would work. Pavel Felgenhauer, based on what he saw, said that militants used weapons taken from the Russian armed forces , and this weapon quite recently passed maintenance.


k-z.com.ua...




posted on May, 11 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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Pavel Felgenhauer, based on what he saw, said that militants used weapons taken from the Russian armed forces , and this weapon quite recently passed maintenance.
a reply to: dragonridr

Russia should have armed these guys with many more MANPADs, RPG-7s, RPG-29s, long range sniper rifles etc. This way with heavy losses initially, Ukrainian Army would have refused to push forward.

If they actually did so, then Russia would have good cause to invade.

RPG7s and 29s taking out tanks and APCs would have kept Ukranian heavy stuff the other side of Dniper river.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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somebody earlier asked if there was proof that Ukrainians were being allowed to vote in Moscow. Heres a video but i have a question does this mean next time Russia has an election are they going to let Russians vote in other countries? Be interesting if the votes were to count from Russians living in the west.




posted on May, 11 2014 @ 02:13 PM
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Oh and also people have claimed the Council of the Russian Federation for Civil Society and Human Rights was hacked and didnt actually post the report of fraud in Crimea elections. This is in a large part because they pulled the English translation from there website. So people were using this as an excuse that the report was fake. However the Report is still on there website its in Russian and they added a note to the media not to misuse the information. Im assuming this is a warning for Russian journalists???

www.president-sovet.ru...



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Looks like they tried problem was Russias special forces doesnt seem up to the task. Either not enough of them or there training wasnt adequate to truly motivate the population. Its not easy to get people to fight for a cause.

Also wonder how Russia would feel if Ukrainians started arming the Chechen rebels in Russia since apparently that seems to be ok with you.


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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: victor7



Pavel Felgenhauer, based on what he saw, said that militants used weapons taken from the Russian armed forces , and this weapon quite recently passed maintenance.
a reply to: dragonridr

Russia should have armed these guys with many more MANPADs, RPG-7s, RPG-29s, long range sniper rifles etc. This way with heavy losses initially, Ukrainian Army would have refused to push forward.

If they actually did so, then Russia would have good cause to invade.

RPG7s and 29s taking out tanks and APCs would have kept Ukranian heavy stuff the other side of Dniper river.






Are you saying Russia is going to start arming the civilians with heavy weapons? Or are you saying that you wish the Ukraine would fall into civil war?



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: victor7

Looks like they tried problem was Russias special forces doesnt seem up to the task. Either not enough of them or there training wasnt adequate to truly motivate the population. Its not easy to get people to fight for a cause.

Also wonder how Russia would feel if Ukrainians started arming the Chechen rebels in Russia since apparently that seems to be ok with you.



Chechens have learned from 1995 onwards as to what is in better interests for them and their families.

At one point Grozny was the "most destroyed" city on earth and at current point one of the fastest growing economic city.

Pick your own pill...........either be with Russia or make ploys against.

Junta in Kiev will soon know what price to pay for back stabbing the provider.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
Junta in Kiev will soon know what price to pay for back stabbing the provider.


Think you have that backwards. Ukraine is the provider here. Almost every bit of Russian equipment, from rocket engines, to missile components, to aircraft parts, has some or most of it built in the Ukraine, and shipped to Russia. Without the Ukraine, Russian military and rocket production would crumble for years to come while they got up to speed at other places.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: victor7

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: victor7

Looks like they tried problem was Russias special forces doesnt seem up to the task. Either not enough of them or there training wasnt adequate to truly motivate the population. Its not easy to get people to fight for a cause.

Also wonder how Russia would feel if Ukrainians started arming the Chechen rebels in Russia since apparently that seems to be ok with you.



Chechens have learned from 1995 onwards as to what is in better interests for them and their families.

At one point Grozny was the "most destroyed" city on earth and at current point one of the fastest growing economic city.

Pick your own pill...........either be with Russia or make ploys against.

Junta in Kiev will soon know what price to pay for back stabbing the provider.



I think you watch to much RT Chechen rebels are alive and well despite RTs assistance otherwise. See Russia is far more vulnerable to this trype of warfare than Ukraine. And Ukraine makes most of the weapons for Russia they could easily start supplying georgia and chechen rebels. Im sure they would love the support and Russian gas pipes are an easy target shutting down there economy. If Russia doesnt realize it yet its opened pandoras box and there is no way for russia to stop it if someone decides its time for them to go.

Here you might want to read this its from those happy chechens you mentioned
news.nationalpost.com...

www.usatoday.com...

www.cnn.com...





November 2009 - A bomb blast derails the Moscow/St Petersburg Nevsky Express train with about 700 people on board. At least 26 people are killed and 100 injured. Chechen rebels claim responsibility.

March 2010 - At least two blasts strike Moscow metro stations during rush hour, killing 40 people.

January 2011 - At least 36 people including eight foreigners are killed and more than 130 injured in a suicide bombing at Moscow's Domodedovo airport, Russia's biggest. Islamist insurgent Doku Umarov later claimed responsibility for the last two attacks.


www.cbsnews.com...



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58

originally posted by: victor7
Junta in Kiev will soon know what price to pay for back stabbing the provider.


Think you have that backwards. Ukraine is the provider here. Almost every bit of Russian equipment, from rocket engines, to missile components, to aircraft parts, has some or most of it built in the Ukraine, and shipped to Russia. Without the Ukraine, Russian military and rocket production would crumble for years to come while they got up to speed at other places.


Any weapons industries still connected to Russian demands are in the Eastern Ukraine region. Soon, due to the "good demeanor" of the Kiev junta, the Eastern and Southern parts will be either independent or a part of Russia.

Even economic sanctions from west might prove a boon for the domestic Russian industries. Russia has immense academic talent. Only thing required is investment into R&D and advanced products will be churning out of the manufacturing plants rapidly.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Actually Chechens are quite happy with Russia. There are some 'rebel' groups as we saw last year when they bombed Russia. But overall they're happy with Russia. They have more money than ever, fast economy growth ... but their economy is very vulnerable since most of their budget is money that comes from Moscow. Putin is actually often criticized by opposition for 'buying' them.

On Ukraine: Most if not all of the weapons made in Ukraine, is made in regions that are pro-Russian. And it's only logical, considering their geographical location. Southeastern Ukraine is dependant from Russia, Western from EU. And that is the line, which is important.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 03:58 PM
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@SkyNewsBreak 1m
AFP: Pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk claim 89% of people have voted in favour of independence



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: khimbar


@SkyNewsBreak 1m
AFP: Pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk claim 89% of people have voted in favour of independence


Did we really expect any other outcome...



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: khimbar


@SkyNewsBreak 1m
AFP: Pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk claim 89% of people have voted in favour of independence


Are we really surprised since they allowed people in moscow to vote and no one to observe the elections.Not to mention accepted russian passports as valid id no voter roles whatso ever.And even funnier apparently all ypu had to do was show any id sp they could write down your name beforw you voted with no verification. Heck i could have voted even saw one guy on facebook used the old Soviet union passport lord knows why he still had that.The fun part will be trting to convince people that even a third of eligible voters actually voted.Cant wait for the next report from Russia on the vote should be interesting.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: baburak
a reply to: dragonridr

Actually Chechens are quite happy with Russia. There are some 'rebel' groups as we saw last year when they bombed Russia. But overall they're happy with Russia. They have more money than ever, fast economy growth ... but their economy is very vulnerable since most of their budget is money that comes from Moscow. Putin is actually often criticized by opposition for 'buying' them.

On Ukraine: Most if not all of the weapons made in Ukraine, is made in regions that are pro-Russian. And it's only logical, considering their geographical location. Southeastern Ukraine is dependant from Russia, Western from EU. And that is the line, which is important.

You really need to find a new news source besides Putin. Heres something to think about the same Ukrainians that own those companies suppllying Russia gave money to the ukrainian military.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
RIP Ukraine





Look how close together their eyes are. They are obviously murderous terrorists.They must be stopped.Sarcasim off. US, N.A.T.O OUT!



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Actually, I read all news sources available and make my own opinion. On the economy, I do my own research (pretty simple but shows clear picture).

On the current events I rely on first hand accounts from sources I consider reliable and people .. and some of them I know personally, since I lived in Ukraine (Mariupol) for nearly 15 years and still have some relatives there. Now my grandparents are considered terrorists and Russians, because they live there since their birth 70 years ago and they went on referendum.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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Men Rule the World with LIES, and than again one more... They steal, kill, enslave... for what? FEAR! The ruler of men with out light!

What's going to happen? What do you think will happen when you steal,kill and enslave your brother?

We will cry!

Blindness IS HERE.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: baburak
a reply to: dragonridr

Actually, I read all news sources available and make my own opinion. On the economy, I do my own research (pretty simple but shows clear picture).

On the current events I rely on first hand accounts from sources I consider reliable and people .. and some of them I know personally, since I lived in Ukraine (Mariupol) for nearly 15 years and still have some relatives there. Now my grandparents are considered terrorists and Russians, because they live there since their birth 70 years ago and they went on referendum.


Are your grandparents carrying around ak 47s and attacking police and taking over police stations? If not i dont believe anyone is calling them terrorists except RT who is working hard to make Ukrainians out to be the devil incarnate. Realize this is an information war people believe what they see on TV true or not. Especially here on ATS were familiar with media manipulation. Russia has taken it to a new art form Russians have no way to know if RT is lying since there is no other media to point it out. Even in the west media lies but there is always other media around to point it out. In the west we figure out how to take the two oposing views to find the truth in Russia there is no opposing view.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Kiev is calling them terrorists. One of them already said today that they will get the lists of voters and will put all of them in jail. Kiev actually passed a law a month ago and anyone who is considered separatist (and all of the people that went on referendum are) is to be jailed for at least 8 years. They say that separatists are terrorists so here's your confirmation...
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