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So the question remains: how are we going to negotiate about Putin's bottom line, with no strong levers to dislodge him? The Ukrainians have managed their affairs badly, but they entirely deserve independence and a viable democracy of their own. Neither have been reinforced by the West's good intentions, its money, and its meddling. But the failure of Western policy goes deeper than that. The decision to enlarge Nato was taken in the mid-1990s on the basis of two assumptions: the Russians could not stop it; and Nato would never have to honour the military guarantee to which its new members would be entitled. We have an absolute obligation to the Balts, the Poles and the others who are now inside the fence. But we went on to dangle membership in front of Ukraine and Georgia without considering how to defend them if Russia chose to object by force. That was irresponsible, and a betrayal of two weak countries who thought they could rely on us. It may well mark the end of the West's fantasy that, with the Cold War over, it could set the rules in what it chose to call a "postmodern" world and extend its idea of democracy almost at will by the superiority of its values and the overwhelming weight of its arms.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova
Last I saw Kiev told its military / security forces to step down to prevent bloodshed / creating a possibility of bloodshed.
The EU/West requested / urged Kiev to suspend its operations during the illegal voting.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: 13th Zodiac
Bloody hell, those yanks are doing it in Russia now too! When will their madness end?
It will end when Putin quits trying to take over countries that aren't part of Russia.
KIEV, May 08. /ITAR-TASS/. Unknown persons overnight destroyed about a million ballots printed for a referendum on independence in the Donetsk Region, local police said on Thursday.
Witnesses said unknown persons broke into a printing house and destroyed 800,000 ballots prepared for a referendum planned for May 11. The attackers also destroyed printing equipment.
Gulliver Cragg @gullivercragg · 10m
A friend in #donetsk tells me he has already voted ("no") three times in #referendum and "I'm not stopping!" #Ukraine
RT @RT_com · 10m
DETAILS: Around 15 APCs attack Novoaydar village near #Ukraine’s Lugansk – self-defense forces on.rt.com...
PaulaSlier_RT @PaulaSlier_RT · 14m
#Donetsk: Turnout has 'already exceeded 30 percent", Chairman of the Central Election Commission says.
Erin Lyall @ErinELyall · 24m
In the #Donetsk #referendum kids are voting and we saw someone vote twice once she realized she had mistakenly ticked "no" @cbsnews
Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi · 25m
Ballot stuffing is widespread in #Donetsk, @novostidnua and @EvgenyFeldman report
Henry Langston @Henry_Langston · 1h
Latest dispatch from eastern Ukraine, Victory Day celebrations in #Donetsk and bloodshed in #Mariupol - news.vice.com... … … @vicenews
uromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR · 46m
Activist Myhailo Logvinenko was kidnapped in #Lugansk, thought to be kept in seized Security Service building. www.0642.ua... |EMPR[/]
Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR · 48m
#Lugansk: ppl cast votes for themselves and for those whose passports they bring. www.0642.ua... |EMPR pic.twitter.com/dndDLP0WLW
Tom Coghlan @TomCoghlan · 1h
Olenovka... Voting chief says no voter lists. Kiev refused to give them. Sees no sign of irregularities - admits it's possible #Ukraine
Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR · 57m
Unconfirmed from #Mariupol: ppl attempted to seize the 2nd APC, via @tikhiys pic.twitter.com/oHsxBtSr7q |EMPR
Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR · 58m
RT @ChristopherJM Hour ago, at #Donetsk School#1, 2men armed w/ shotgun &pistol ordered journalists to stop filming/photographing vote |EMPR
Lizzie Phelan @LizziePhelan · 1h
Mobile network cut off in #Slavyansk on #referendum day @Ruptly
Christopher Miller @ChristopherJM · 1h
Two men not bothering with voting booths, just borrowed my pen to cast their "Yes" votes at School No. 1 in #Donetsk.