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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

An invasion would have been hard to miss

All is quiet, so far.




posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:25 PM
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Vlads problems just got worse and the ironic part it its coming from one of his groups



The Crimean “Occupendum” – Mustafa Jemilev was right: the decision about Crimea’s anschluss is legally fraught.


According to the report of the Presidential Council on Civil Society and Human Rights of the Russian Federation, the Crimean referendum is assessed as follows:

SYNOPSIS
• the overwhelming majority of citizens in Sevastopol have voted for joining to Russia on the referendum (50-80% of voters); in Crimea 50-60% of voters voted for joining Russia whereas the general voter turnout was only 30-50%.

• Crimea’s inhabitants have voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination of, as they say, “corruption and lawlessness of the thieves of the dominant Donetsk henchmen.” Inhabitants of Sevastopol particularly voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of Crimea.

Consequently, the confines of the possible values of the total number of voters in Crimea who voted on the “occupendum” for joining Russia draws from 15% (30×50) to 30% (50×60).

As it’s known, according to Jemilev’s information, Crimean voter presence for the occupendum is 32.4%. In this case the number of voters who voted to join Russia comes to a bit more than 31%.

Thus:

• the majority of the voters living in Crimea (according to various estimates from 69 to 85%) haven’t voted for the Anschluss;

• the officially announced results of the occupendum that were also repeatedly and publically announced by President V. Putin have been roughly fabricated;

The decisions of the State Duma, the Federation Council and the President of the Russian Federation about joining Crimea to RF are based not only on unacceptable violations of the Ukrainian Constitution and International Law, but also on the rough fabrication of the results of the occupendum on the 16th of March against the clearly expressed will of the vast majority of residents of Ukraine and Crimea, and therefore are legally fraught.
Source: ‪#‎crimea_sos‬

Effectively this means that Vladimir Putin’s own Council on the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights has confirmed that the turnout for the so-called “referendum” [now called "occupendum"] on Crimea’s status was much lower than reported, and the results also far less overwhelmingly in favour of joining Russia. The same results have been reported from other sources: “while the overwhelming majority of residents of Sevastopol voted for joining Russian (turnout of 50-80%), the turnout for all of Crimea was from 30-50% and only 50-60% of those voted for joining Russia.”

Thus, a maximum 30% (i.e. 60% of 50%) of Crimeans voted to join Russia. This does not take into account any of the bribery, blackmail, bullying and multiple voting that reportedly took place.


Source: echo.msk.ru


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Secondary Source
Council to the President of the Russian Federation

*** Wrong UN meeting - will post correct one when I find it ***

The UNHCR rep gives a report on Ukraine and touches on Crimea.
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posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: MessageforAll

An invasion would have been hard to miss

All is quiet, so far.


Invasion will never happen. To resist NWO in SE region will take volunteers a couple of hundreds who have relatives in Ukraine. Once Chechen volunteers move in to defend SE borders, right Sector teens will run back to the cave.

You know Chechen volunteers, they cut heads then ask questions. Brutal people. Savages in military terms. Not sure for how long Russia is capable to keep them back.


cheers) No to NWO!
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posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

How can that be ?! Wasn't it a lawful referendum with huge turnouts and massive percentages of people voting for freedom from under the evil people killing Kiev JUNTA ?!



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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Not sure how this does would not constitute an invasion:



@StateOfUkraine
#Photo of foreign fighters in #Sloviansk #Ukraine (likely Chechens)





posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: MessageforAll

An invasion would have been hard to miss

All is quiet, so far.


Invasion will never happen. To resist NWO in SE region will take volunteers a couple of hundreds who have relatives in Ukraine. Once Chechen volunteers move in to defend SE borders, right Sector teens will run back to the cave.

You know Chechen volunteers, they cut heads then ask questions. Brutal people. Not sure for how long Russia is capable to keep them back.


cheers) No to NWO!


Sickening that you would cheer this on.

Your delusional fight against the 'NWO' must not take into account who exercises power in Russia.

(As if their interests weren't ultimately tied to the same International petroleum and investment corporations.)
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posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: ALoveSupreme

As Dutzy mentioned himself, I think if there would be an invasion, we wouldn't play the semantics game. It's pretty hard to fake an invasion.

But I don't think any invasion will occur, after all this bloodshed Putin had the perfect excuse, and he didn't use it.



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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May be called a low blow, but:


Maxim Tucker @MaxRTucker · 25m

Wondering who this @GrahamWP_UK is, suddenly most beloved of @RT_com? Turns out he's an incoherent sex tourist rejected by @KyivPost! Amazed





posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

I don't think the blood that has been spilled so far on the Russian speaking/ethnic part of E Ukraine is enough to call for an intervention, because it is pretty clear that Putin isn't interested in the blood spilled from the side of Ukrainian unity supporters.
I wouldn't quite say it is out of the question, rather a low possibility at the time...



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: Dutzy

Meh, seems irrelevant. Doesn't give him less or more credibility.



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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Once the Crimean invasion kicked off I was convinced that Russia would invade the rest of the country.. Now I'm starting to think otherwise. I think they have their troops positioned on the border sitting there idle just as a scare tactic.

I'm beginning to have the opinion that Russia may not be capable of invasion on a large scale for a prolonged period of time. This is good news because if Russia doesn't have the means to invade Eastern/Southern Ukraine, then they certainly don't have the capability to fight in a world war, proving their bark is bigger than their bite.

Just my opinion, we have heard so many reports of possible invasions, it's not even funny anymore. I think they'll stick with guys in masks and keep playing gorilla warfare.
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posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

It is irrelevant, yes, but a little trolling, supported by facts not just personal attacks without any real base, never hurt anyone...



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: Dutzy

I hear ya

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posted on May, 5 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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I'm not sure, at the moment, that this is directly related to the situation in E Ukraine, but:

Russia suspends accord with Lithuania on exchange of info on weaponry in Kaliningrad


Russia has unilaterally suspended an agreement with Lithuania on providing information about weaponry in the Russian region of Kaliningrad, Lithuania’s Ministry of National Defence said on Monday.

The ministry’s Public Relations Department said the ministry has received a diplomatic note from Russia, stating that Russia is unilaterally suspending the 2001 bilateral Lithuanian-Russian agreement on additional confidence and security building measures.

According to the ministry, the agreement stipulated that the states will exchange information about their armed forces as well as conduct bilateral military inspections.

“It was agreed to use the format of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Lithuania does not participate in for exchange of information, and conduct inspections under the conditions of the Vienna Document. On the Russian side, the agreement was applied to its forces in Kaliningrad. After Russia imposed a moratorium on the CFE in 2007, it seized providing information but bilateral inspections continued,” the Ministry of National Defence said.

Lithuania has implemented all conditions of the agreement and has not given Russia a pretext for such a move, the ministry said in the statement.

“Such a move by Russia demonstrates Russia’s unwillingness to ensure mutual trust and can be deemed another move towards the destruction of the mutual trust and security system in Europe,” the statement said.



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: ProfessorT




Sanctions are not working.


Sanctions are working agaisnt your beloved EU members, i hope the Sanctions do continue.



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: Dutzy

I think Germany should move their forces into Kaliningrad and boot the Russians out. Just like Crimea and Putins arguments about borders and the collapse of the Soviet Union, Kaliningrad was actually German. At the end of WWII Stalin evicted the Germans who lived there and moved in Russians, pretty much the same scenario he pulled in Crimea.

If Putin truly believes that about borders then he should have no issues giving up Kaliningrad. After all it was Putins idea to reconfigure borders.



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: deviant300

So Russia cant but America and fascist NATO can and they can aid the fascist Ukrainians?



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Problem with sanctions is that they indirectly target the citizens. It's like when you where a kid and everyone got punished because of one bad apple.



posted on May, 5 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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Official confirmation about journalists awarded for their objective reporting on Crimea, if there were actually any doubts about it:

Putin Awards Journalists for 'Objective' Crimea Coverage

News broke Monday that President Vladimir Putin issued a decree in April honoring more than 300 journalists for their objective coverage of the events that have unfolded in Crimea.

"I can confirm that such a decree was signed, but we usually do not publish them. Now, since this information has become public, we do not plan to add any details about it," Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told The Moscow Times by telephone Monday.

Citing an official familiar with the decree, Vedemosti reported Monday that Putin bestowed the honor on about 100 journalists from the All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, more than 60 from state-run Channel One television and dozens from Gazprom-owned NTV television, state-funded RT television and tabloid Life News.


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