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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: cosmonova

Can you please provide some actual facts supporting the following claim:



there is only a slight problem here, everyone in there is a terrorist. According to Junta, local people=terrorists.


If not, don't be amazed if I don't further respond to any of your replies. Cheers


I'll give you a fact, these are terrorists according to Junta.
Terrorizing National guard yesterday in Kramatorsk, preventing them to do God knows what.
By the way have you ever seen people protecting terrorists (militia)? I have not.



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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:09 AM
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Please stay on topic. One or two members are getting very close to a posting ban.

If they aren't sure who they are, try another off-topic or personal insult and find out.

Topic is >> Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:11 AM
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Ukrainian Forces Control Checkpoints Around Slovyansk


Ukrainian troops overran rebel checkpoints around the city in an operation launched before dawn on Friday and it was now "tightly encircled.''


It looks as though they have taken over the checkpoints and essentially surrounded the area. I do hope that they either back off or go on in within the next few days. That's 2 or 3 days they've been there now. I don't want to think about the possibility that they're trying to starve out the rebels in a city with 130k people.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:13 AM
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Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 1m
Proof #Russia coordinated capture of #OSCE team wp.me... | EMPR News #Ukraine #Sloviansk #Lukin



another true because its on youtube

Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 5m
#Russia Coordinates #Sloviansk Terrorists youtu.be... | EMPR Video #Ukraine




The WorldPost ‏@TheWorldPost · 12m
Kerry and Lavrov are discussing steps to de-escalate the situation in east Ukraine huff.to...

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Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP · 17m
#VIDEO AFPTV films exclusive footage of a deadly gunfight as the Ukraine army tries to take a pro-Russia checkpoint u.afp.com...

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Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP · 30m
CIA, FBI agents 'advising Ukraine government': report yhoo.it...

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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:16 AM
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originally posted by: AnIntellectualRedneck
Ukrainian Forces Control Checkpoints Around Slovyansk


Ukrainian troops overran rebel checkpoints around the city in an operation launched before dawn on Friday and it was now "tightly encircled.''


It looks as though they have taken over the checkpoints and essentially surrounded the area. I do hope that they either back off or go on in within the next few days. That's 2 or 3 days they've been there now. I don't want to think about the possibility that they're trying to starve out the rebels in a city with 130k people.
There are other reports suggesting that the Russian soldiers/militia are still in control of large parts of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. The actual anti-terror operation seems to have been managed quite poorly. It is an enormous challenge for the Ukrainian military as the areas are well built up and there are many civilians in amongst the Russian soldiers/militia.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:18 AM
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originally posted by: ProfessorT

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: ProfessorT

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: ProfessorT
a reply to: Whereismypassword

If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass.

I think someone's jealous that I have shares. When you learn to spell and abbreviate properly let me know.


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Apparently The Pope has called for peace in Ukraine. Somehow I don't think that's possible.



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Ukrainian TV is now being switched back on in Sloviansk and Kramatorsk after Russian soldiers changed it to Russian TV channels.


lets see how long is that going to last.
Are these forces now going to stay there forever in order to protect TV station? I doubt.
As soon as they leave it will happen again.
Once again, this whole ATO is a complete stupidity.
It will never end well for those in Kiev. You cannot defeat people who live there, or take away their language, right on information, right to decide its future. Basic rights have been taken from those people and you cannot force them to like you. It never works.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova


I'll give you a fact, these are terrorists according to Junta.
Terrorizing National guard yesterday in Kramatorsk, preventing them to do God knows what.


They are being used by the terrorists as a human shield, in violation of the Geneva Convention. They will be less inclined to do so when they get hungry.


By the way have you ever seen people protecting terrorists (militia)? I have not.


Then you have never seen the Gaza Strip.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova


You cannot defeat people who live there, or take away their language, right on information, right to decide its future. Basic rights have been taken from those people and you cannot force them to like you. It never works.


Which is why Russia will inevitably lose, as it has before. Its past failures are now the most vocal members of NATO.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:25 AM
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Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 4m
100ppl in masks dispersed in the crowd among citizens that came to the center of #Enakievo for a rally @BerrrGerrr pic.twitter.com/D5DiTebbz0




Sky News ‏@SkyNews · 6m
Kiev Pushes Ahead With Mission To Retake Cities news.sky.com...

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Guardian World ‏@guardianworld · 8m
Freed OSCE observers tell of ordeal during capture in Ukraine gu.com...

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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:26 AM
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: cosmonova


I'll give you a fact, these are terrorists according to Junta.
Terrorizing National guard yesterday in Kramatorsk, preventing them to do God knows what.


They are being used by the terrorists as a human shield, in violation of the Geneva Convention. They will be less inclined to do so when they get hungry.


By the way have you ever seen people protecting terrorists (militia)? I have not.


Then you have never seen the Gaza Strip.



I hope one time you will post something that might be worth my response.


yet you... responded.... ok??


RT ‏@RT_com · 9m
South-East #Ukraine: Crisis Diary (Unique Documentary Shot by Ordinary People) youtu.be... @rt_doc




CNN International ‏@cnni · 13m
Ukraine PM heads to Odessa after dozens killed in blaze dlvr.it...[/eb]

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Katica Djurovic ‏@zoontangmarg · 16m
Inside trade union building Odessa @ruptly #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/DxweLIF6Hv

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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova

Especially when Putin stated on Russian tv it was his response to action taken by Ukraine's government.

Want me to post to the RT video on youtube where he stated it or is this good enough?


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I have now linked to 2 separate channels with the same Putin speech, only to see those channels interrupted. Makes one wonder what might be occurring.
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova


Human shield nonsense is not worth any response.


No, there is no response you could make that did not sound hollow. The Ukrainian army refuses to harm innocent civilians, so the Russian military is deploying them in the field to slow Ukrainian advancement. Would you say that this is not an accurate description of the human shield tactics being used?

What about the comparison to Gaza, then? Terrorists routinely launch attacks against Israel from heavily populated areas, knowing that the legitimate response will result in civilian casualties. This then provides them with "martyrs"who can be used in anti-Israel propaganda. It is possible that Russian agents immolated their own people for similar reasons.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:55 AM
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Just a note, this is a google translation but not hard to get a picture.
Dozens of CIA and FBI personnel working with Junta and assisting with 'ATO'.
I'll pretend that I am surprised.



The Ukrainian transitional government in Kiev will be dozens of specialists from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation advice. The learned Bild am Sonntag from German security circles.
The officials should help on behalf of the U.S. government Kiev in ending the rebellion in the east of the country and establish a functioning security structure.


www.bild.de...



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a note, this is a google translation but not hard to get a picture.
Dozens of CIA and FBI personnel working with Junta and assisting with 'ATO'.
I'll pretend that I am surprised.



The Ukrainian transitional government in Kiev will be dozens of specialists from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation advice. The learned Bild am Sonntag from German security circles.
The officials should help on behalf of the U.S. government Kiev in ending the rebellion in the east of the country and establish a functioning security structure.


www.bild.de...


Note the use of the future tense. This suggests that the CIA and FBI have not been working with the interim government previously, contrary to the claims of pro-Russian propaganda.
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova

Especially when Putin stated on Russian tv it was his response to action taken by Ukraine's government.

Want me to post to the RT video on youtube where he stated it or is this good enough?




I have now linked to 2 separate channels with the same Putin speech, only to see those channels interrupted. Makes one wonder what might be occurring.



Yes tell me what exactly he said?
I do know what he said but I am curious to hear your side.
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:59 AM
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After being pro-democracy and anti-government forces, the pro-Russian separatists seem to have morphed into pro-autonomy fighters according to Russian media:

PaulaSlier_RT @PaulaSlier_RT
E. #Ukraine: Pro-#autonomy forces claim they've also regained control in #Slavyansk & #Andreyevka. #Kiev forces reportedly withdraw.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova


Yes tell me what exactly he said?
I do now what he said but I am curious to hear your side.


And we would love to hear what you think he meant by "our troops will be behind them."



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: Dutzy


After being pro-democracy and anti-government forces, the pro-Russian separatists seem to have morphed into pro-autonomy fighters according to Russian media:


Moscow has decided to abandon its plans to annex all of Eastern Ukraine. Now they will be satisfied with tiny "autonomous" city-states that sap Kiyev's strength.



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