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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:20 AM
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From what I understand from this video and the comments, the Russian appointed prosecutor of Crimea, later turned internet sensation, calls the actions of the tatars at Armiansk extremist actions. Note, they were there to meet Mustafa Dzemilev, their leader banned entry into the Russian Federation, including Crimea until 2019, and it was reported here yesterday, several pages back.



This is what I would call a perfect example of double standards. When such an event happens on the soil of a different country, and it serves certain interests, it is a legitimate movement against the government, but God forbid for it to happen on Russian soil, it is an extremist action.
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:24 AM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: Xcathdra
every last drop of milk they can get...

RT ‏@RT_com · 22s
#Crimea observes 3 days of mourning over dozens dead in southeastern #Ukraine on.rt.com...




Fox News ‏@FoxNews · 11m
#Ukraine expands offensive against pro-Russian forces fxn.ws...


Well, that's better than celebrating it like you appear to be doing. Crimea is mourning 38 murdered people, and your calling it propaganda. You're a real class act mate.


*snipped*

Do any of them actualy read stories on this site,if so they would have heard a couple of phones calls about who the sniper was with-who the USA wanted in power and sat found the table -seen vid of that politician out there with a sniper rifle in the boot of his car during the times of the initial demonstrations that started this all after the sniper killed so many

They won't comment on those matters, just say Russia started this all

IMO if any other western country was in Russia's shoes now with a country on their border and their people in that country getting killed or persecuted they would have acted far more aggressively

It's Georgia all over again,some little tin pot leader of the country helped by the west is told to poke the bear so they can see how the Russian military shows it hand-


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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:36 AM
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Interesting article about an alleged doctor from Odessa that was "denied" to do his job and help the victims of the Odessa Trade Union House burning by extremists:
blogs.pravda.com.ua...


Ukrainian authorities ignore the Internet as one of the most important fields of war. Unfortunately , Russia is the third month is an open war against the Ukraine , works in this field professionally. Invest considerable resources to conduct propaganda in social networks .

The most recent example - the spread today psevdosvidchen alleged doctor from Odessa Igor Rozovsky , who said he was trying to assist victims in Odessa house unions, but the militants would not let him approach the wounded and not allowed to save him from death, and then explained that the games and other Jews of Odessa will soon be the same. "In my town there was something that could not happen even during the Nazi occupation" - sums psevdolikar .

His post just 15 hours collected more than 2,000 common and that number continues to grow right before our eyes :

However, when look closely, you can see that your so-called Account Games Rozovsky got just 16 hours ago. The picture shows not any Jew from Odessa Rozovsky Igor and Ruslan Semenov Haji Muratovich - a dentist who works out of Ust- Dzhegutinsky dental clinic - a Karachay -Cherkessia , Russia.

Interestingly , and how Russian propaganda service spread this information. At first it spread across a large network of bots and more popular communities. When the number was quite large common - began to spread this post translation in different languages ​​on the international community and foreign to news sites. Translating all identical. A lot of German, British , there is even a Bulgarian. Try to actively disseminate this information through the Jewish community.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:39 AM
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@RT_com: Dozens of FBI, CIA agents in Kiev 'assisting #Ukraine security', German newspaper Bild reveals t.co...

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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:43 AM
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Picture tells a thousand words.

I dare anybody to point out a single terrorist in the pictures of the victims I've linked.

A single weapon, a single uniform, anything that would even remotely suggest Kievs official explanation of their actions.

A real war crime took place, it was perpetrated by the extremist Right Sector neo-nazi organization that was officially armed and formed into a militarized national guard combat force by current Kievs government, which is openly and fully supported by the White House.

If this war crime is not investigated, if criminals are not apprehended and tried in the international court, then any government that refuses to condemn these actions is just as complacent in this crime as its perpetrators.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:45 AM
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: renden

Good god this again...

point out the suspect in the photos please.
identify those suspects please.
provide evidence they are members of the right wing groups please.

exactly... let an international investigation occur and do a proper investigation instead of a 100 meter rush to judgement based on ignorance.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:46 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: renden

Good god this again...

point out the suspect in the photos please.
identify those suspects please.
provide evidence they are members of the right wing groups please.

exactly... let an international investigation occur and do a proper investigation instead of a 100 meter rush to judgement based on ignorance.



Those are not suspects, those are victims, if you can't tell the difference between the two, it's your problem.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:47 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: ProfessorT
a reply to: Whereismypassword

If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass.

I think someone's jealous that I have shares. When you learn to spell and abbreviate properly let me know.


This post has been reported as a violation of ATS policies.


Good.. maybe the other poster will get tagged with political baiting while insinuating the poster is a racist. If people are going to make comments maybe you should look at both sides before complaining. Complaining about a response while ignoring the initial post is just bad form man and does nothing to help the situation.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:48 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: renden

Good god this again...

point out the suspect in the photos please.
identify those suspects please.
provide evidence they are members of the right wing groups please.

exactly... let an international investigation occur and do a proper investigation instead of a 100 meter rush to judgement based on ignorance.



Those are not suspects, those are victims, if you can't tell the difference between the two, it's your problem.


Thank you very much for proving my point....

now, explain who the suspects are and identify them by face, name and affiliation please.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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Killers of the 46 burned victims, video of the crime being perpetrated;

www.youtube.com...

Video compilation of the Right Sector and Ultras extremists attacking Odessa, including their own video statements taking credit for the crime;

www.youtube.com...



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: ProfessorT
a reply to: Whereismypassword

If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass.

I think someone's jealous that I have shares. When you learn to spell and abbreviate properly let me know.


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This post has been reported because it is off-topic.

Apparently The Pope has called for peace in Ukraine. Somehow I don't think that's possible.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:57 AM
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originally posted by: Dutzy
With regards to the efficiency of the ATO in E Ukraine, how possible or less possible could this be:

Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine
Source: goal of #Ukraine's anti-terror operation was to halt separatist momentum. Defeating them completely unrealistic in very short term


Because when one talks about an anti-terror op, you would expect for those cities to be thoroughly cleansed of armed separatists, whereas we only see skirmishes and the Ukr forces capturing firstly the local and regional TV towers...


there is only a slight problem here, everyone in there is a terrorist. According to Junta, local people=terrorists.
They are fighting lost battle. We are not talking about bunch of terrorists terrorizing locals.
Have you seen video I posted about National Guard entering Krematorsk a few pages back?
People are calling them fascists, telling them to go to Kiev, yelling at them, etc. Local people.
What exactly Kiev expect to win? War against people living there?
Good luck with that.
We are talking about resistance movement, about people who do not recognize those in Kiev.
The ones that instead of coming and talking to these people send tanks, Helicopters, National Guard ( god knows
who is in there).
They will never win this, sooner they accept this the better for everyone and less bloodshed.
And I am telling this on basis that Kiev is not following orders from US, they are doing this on their own.
If they are following orders that means they are doing everything to cause a nasty civil war and do not care about outcome.


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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:57 AM
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Right Sector Nazi death squad taking responsibility for kidnapping East Ukrainian citizens, and stating their open intentions of terror warfare on the territory of East Ukraine;

www.youtube.com...



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:57 AM
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New video from yesterday afternoon's shoot-out at the army recruitment center, which was taken over in the end, by separatists, despite early reports of them being repelled:



According to Ukr officials there were 2 wounded Ukraine soldiers and a separatist was killed.
www.0642.ua...

One rally was killed and two others were injured in Lugansk during clashes with police officers.

This official said the press center " united army southeast " Alexander Marchitan .

Recall , as reported in the Department of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Lugansk , two soldiers were injured during the assault on the recruiting office .

According Marchitan , protesters went to the recruitment office block after received information that came to the building " two buses or veveshnikov nationalists from other cities ," but on the citizens began to shoot .

"Two easily injured , and one was wounded in the stomach , and he died ," - said the representative of the Staff.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 05:58 AM
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posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:00 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova

Can you please provide some actual facts supporting the following claim:



there is only a slight problem here, everyone in there is a terrorist. According to Junta, local people=terrorists.


If not, don't be amazed if I don't further respond to any of your replies. Cheers



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword


Do any of them actualy read stories on this site,if so they would have heard a couple of phones calls about who the sniper was with-who the USA wanted in power and sat found the table -seen vid of that politician out there with a sniper rifle in the boot of his car during the times of the initial demonstrations that started this all after the sniper killed so many

They won't comment on those matters, just say Russia started this all


On the contrary, it is close minded fools who do not pay attention to the responses, which have been made over and over again, despite assertions to the contrary. What sort of "evidence" is a tapped phone conversation between two Baltic diplomats concerning rumors they have heard? If a tape of two people who are not in a position to confirm a rumor is the best evidence that can be found, there is not a very strong case, is there? As for American diplomats discussing their "dream team" Ukrainian government, how is that any different than ordinary people discussing who their favorite sports team should hire or fire or who should star in the next Star Wars movie? Again, hardly damning evidence. I am unfamiliar with the video you are talking about. Meanwhile, tapes of Russians giving orders to pro-Russian militia leaders are starting to be leaked.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:02 AM
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originally posted by: renden
Right Sector Nazi death squad taking responsibility for kidnapping East Ukrainian citizens, and stating their open intentions of terror warfare on the territory of East Ukraine;

www.youtube.com...


You know it must be true because it is on YouTube.



posted on May, 4 2014 @ 06:04 AM
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originally posted by: renden
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Ukrainian TV is now being switched back on in Sloviansk and Kramatorsk after Russian soldiers changed it to Russian TV channels.
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