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originally posted by: Rosinitiate
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: Rosinitiate
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: MessageforAll
rt.com...
Moscow: Kiev and its Western sponsors provoke bloodshed, are directly responsible
Kiev’s government and its western allies bear full responsibility for the recent bloodshed in Ukraine, Russia’s presidential spokesman has said, adding it is now impossible to convince people in the region to disarm because their lives are under threat.
The irony!
The Kremlin-controlled media has been fostering fear among Eastern Ukrainians nonstop since February about hordes of 'fascists' coming to get them in the East. They stirred up all this fear and triggered so much reactionary behavior among pro-Russians until half of the country was under siege. And now when the mob violence finally gets really deadly they blame it on the west.
Oh, the painful irony!
Of course this has been their too obvious plan -- to foster enough fear and ethnic hatred, to trigger events which would give a pretext for an invasion.
Just so I understand your post....
You are saying that Russia stoked up fear in E Ukraine about potential violence as you state: "to foster fear and ethnic hatred", than go on to concede that the violence has become realized.
So as predicted the violence is now front and center and because Russia was right, that makes them wrong. That is just awesome, if your not a politician you should be.
I'm not here to argue on the side of Russia but that is by far the best circle argument I've ever seen.
So from your argument, if I told my daughter not to touch the poisonous snake because it can kill her, that means I'm stoking fear. If she gets bit its my fault for warning her......genius.
If you know nothing of history I suppose this might sound like a new idea to you.
It is called agitation. Intelligence agencies of the USA and USSR used it constantly to provoke militancy and spawn conflicts when deemed necessary in the Cold War. In fact, going back to the Romans conquest of Gaul, it has been a useful technique to spawn hatred and mobilize masses.
I'd like to think I understand history quite well. That being said, what you wrote here and what you wrote above are not exactly the same. So here I agree that inciting E Ukrainians brought the hostilities to where they're at but I wouldn't lay fault at the feet of Russia. Meaning, that had Russia not incited the East, the East would have been rolled over by the puppet regime installed by the west.
Russia, in her own interest incited the East to make the transition from a Pro-Russian client state to a pro-west client state that much more difficult. That being said, there is plenty of blame to go around.
originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: ALoveSupreme
Thank you for clearing the issue.
Actually, I remember, when I was a kid, here in Romania people were issued national ID's similar to passports, kinda like that lady has, but smaller in dimension than an actual passport.
originally posted by: Xcouncil=wisdom
Its been 5 days since any updates from Asen_y2k
Hope all is well for him
X
originally posted by: Matt1951
originally posted by: Xcouncil=wisdom
Its been 5 days since any updates from Asen_y2k
Hope all is well for him
X
Hopefully he has not been arrested. If he told his neighbors or friends about his posting on ATS, the Right Sector may not have viewed it favorably. Especially considering his location in far west Ukraine.
It could be due to a number of things, but he promised he would always be here for us.
originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: ALoveSupreme
Glad to hear you loved Bucharest.
Since you worked in the vicinity of the Ana Ipatescu Boulevard, you must have been here prior to 1993. The city has changed a bit since then.
@AFP: #BREAKING: Russian FM Lavrov asks counterpart Kerry to press Ukraine to stop military operation in country's east: Moscow
What an absolute lie. She did not mention the Ukrainian army at all in that Tweet. She said it was Right Sector.
originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
RT Paula Slier states reports of Ukranian army executing pro Russians in Kramatorsk, prisoners being led to road, made to kneel and then being shot in the back of the head
Only a few hours on Saturday afternoon was seen over a dozen MiG-29 fighters and Su-27 , as well as several strategic bombers Tu- 22 m
In the skies over the Crimea , in particular over Simferopol , there is transfer of Russian military aircraft supposedly from the airport to the village Guards Simferopol district to the west coast of the Crimean peninsula .
On it informs "Ukrinform" citing its correspondent .
In particular, only a few hours on Saturday afternoon was seen over a dozen MiG-29 fighters and Su-27 , as well as several strategic bombers Tu- 22 m
Local observers do not rule out that the transfer of aviation connected with the situation in the south- eastern Ukraine , the state news agency writes .
It should be noted that previously the head of ATC at SBU Lt. Gen. Vasily Krutov said that Russia intends to intensify efforts to destabilize the situation in other regions , not only in the Donbass .
" The information that we receive , says that by the foreign state planned sufficiently serious strengthening of their actions on the territory of Ukraine , which are not limited only to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions ," - he said.
SBU say they are ready for tougher development of the situation : " We are ready for a different , more stringent operational development of the situation," said Vasyl Krutov .
russian navy blog @russiannavyblog
Airspace over Crimea and Sea of Azov closed 3-5 May. VIP visit? pic.twitter.com/WWJFM2FlfR
The European Union calls for independent inquiry into tragic deaths of people in Ukrainian Odessa. Following events in Odessa all political forces in Ukraine must start peaceful, inclusive dialogue to resolve the crisis.
Russia will not be able to persuade people in southeast of Ukraine to lay down arms
After the tragic events in Odessa, it will be factually impossible for Russia and any other country to persuade people in the southeast of Ukraine to lay down arms, because there is a direct threat to their lives, Russian president’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov told journalists.
As much as we don't see eye-to-eye usually, I agree with you. Yesterday's behaviour by the right sector elements within the pro-Ukrainian group was murderous. Those that were directly and indirectly involved with torching the trade union building and burning people alive should be held accountable in the International Criminal Court.
originally posted by: renden
I'd just like to remind some members here, that 46 people were burned alive to the chats of "kill moskovites!" So there are no "deals', people are being murdered.
Just a note, the ones that jumped out of the burning building and survived the fall, were beaten to death by all those wonderful fighters for freedom democracy and western values.
www.theguardian.com...