Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: seppirish
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sorry that's it I just cant take your bulls... anymore you did not see the petrol bombs hitting the building.I was on the live link I seen it...what a sad f... you are you and your country and Obama are backing Nazi's white power types.
I just don't get that 6ft tall blonde hair blue eyes ..

Wow rant much first i dont think i said anything about petrol bombs however i dont think it was NAZIs that did it??? My guess would be Ukrainians from the area taking matters into there own hands after failure of the government to do so.

Are you saying Kiev Junta failed to burn people alive so Right Sector thugs had to do so?
I mean seriously, how sick in the head you have to be to do that?
Looks like they are just continuing what their predecessors did in WW2.
And with a full support of US.
Do you still believe in united Ukraine?

I believe these are your words and it shows just truly how warped you are in your interpretations. But i do appreciate your interpretation of what i said your proving to everyone the blatant bias you show as well as the hatred. See this would be a major T&c violation so might i suggest in the future keep the personnel comments to yourself. I know NAZIs are everywhere hiding in bushes and apparently all they have to do is disagree with Heir Putin for you to designate them NAZIs but the real world doesnt work that way thx again for your informative input.

sick in the head comment was a reference to Right Sector for what they did, nothing personal.

originally posted by: cosmonova
blocked Junta forces trying to scare local people off by shooting in the air.
Not much success. The power of people winning again

You dont randomly shoot in the air to scare people off looks more like Ukrainians are celebrating thats more what you do at the end of a fight. My guess is locals dont like there impromptu celebration. When you want to scare people off you point your guns at them and threaten to shoot them none of which i saw.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
blocked Junta forces trying to scare local people off by shooting in the air.
Not much success. The power of people winning again

You dont randomly shoot in the air to scare people off looks more like Ukrainians are celebrating thats more what you do at the end of a fight. My guess is locals dont like there impromptu celebration. When you want to scare people off you point your guns at them and threaten to shoot them none of which i saw.

Hey these guys are not Americans soldiers, they do not shoot civilians just like that.
They are just a bit frustrated for being blocked for most of the day and moving nowhere.
Those locals have my utmost admiration for standing up against Junta and their civil war agenda.

jun·ta noun \ˈhu̇n-tə, ˈjən-, ˈhən-\
: a military group controlling a government after taking control of it by force

Full Definition of JUNTA

1
: a council or committee for political or governmental purposes; especially : a group of persons controlling a government especially after a revolutionary seizure of power

Funny the military didnt take over in ukraine. A junta set up after a revolution,but it was no revolution in ukraine apparently just the kiev government (who was elected and signed off on by russia itself a few years earlier) voted out a crooked polotician.

Of course this does not matter to the Shills in teh thread who will bury this definition in 5 mins or less.

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we gave 30 years for our rights, and some would say that that was 800 years of a fight, and then again some in my country would say that we sold out for the good Friday agreement.

RT spoke with two activists caught up in the horrific attack by the ultra-nationalist Right Sector against anti-government protesters.

Deputy of the regional council and mayoral candidate Aleksey Albu was brutally beaten by Right Sector radicals after he escaped the burning Trade Unions House in Odessa.

“Militants from the Right Sector arrived from Kharkov to Odessa today. They attacked the center of the city first and then they moved on to the anti-Kiev protesters camp,” Albu told RT via telephone while in the hospital. “They attacked the camp with about 200 people there – 100 of whom were women and men over 50 and 60 years of age – with Molotov cocktails.”

“The people at the camp then barricaded themselves inside the Trade Unions House,” Albu said.

The Right Sector radicals then surrounded the building and “began throwing stun grenades and tear gas into the building...I was there inside the building and took part in the defense. We tried to defend ourselves as much as we could,” he added.

“When we were finally able to jump out of the window from the second floor, we were met by the Right Sector radicals. They beat us with their feet using bats and chains. My friend got an open head injury. I received a wound six centimeters long and am now in a hospital waiting to get stitches,” Albu stated.

“We were all covered in blood, our legs were beaten by bats,” he said.

He added that his injuries were minor, considering the situation.

Albu confirmed that there are still activists left inside the building. “I don’t know what is their state at this point, but according to latest reports, a group of people barricaded themselves on the roof of the building. But we don’t know how long will they last up there.”

Heres the minutes of the meeting of the UN security council where Russia called to task. Im really perplexed why Russia believes other countries dont have access to intelligence telling them whats going on in Ukraine. I really believe Russians think they control all the information coming out of Ukraine there is no other explanation.

www.un.org...

Mayoral candidate Albu described the attack as being “a wake up call for Odessa” which could lead to very unpredictable consequences. Albu stated that the anti-Kiev demonstrations were peaceful, adding that the attack on protesters “will not go unanswered.”

A total of 43 people have died in Odessa violence on Friday and 174 others have sustained injuries. Twenty-five of those remain in critical condition, according to Odessa City Council.

In reference to the disturbing events, Russia's permanent representative to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, said that such “actions are reminiscent of the crimes of the Nazis from whom the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists derive their ideological inspiration.”

Video footage from inside the building showed disturbing scenes of dead bodies lying around the rooms with thick smoke in the air and blood stains on the floor.

Most of the bodies filmed had St. George ribbons attached to their clothes, distinguishing them as anti-Kiev activists.

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wait the use of the words Molotov cocktails has to be translated to petrol bomb for anyone here tonight of Irish decent ,just so we know what is been spoken about thank you for your under standing

originally posted by: cosmonova

RT spoke with two activists caught up in the horrific attack by the ultra-nationalist Right Sector against anti-government protesters.

Deputy of the regional council and mayoral candidate Aleksey Albu was brutally beaten by Right Sector radicals after he escaped the burning Trade Unions House in Odessa.

“Militants from the Right Sector arrived from Kharkov to Odessa today. They attacked the center of the city first and then they moved on to the anti-Kiev protesters camp,” Albu told RT via telephone while in the hospital. “They attacked the camp with about 200 people there – 100 of whom were women and men over 50 and 60 years of age – with Molotov cocktails.”

“The people at the camp then barricaded themselves inside the Trade Unions House,” Albu said.

The Right Sector radicals then surrounded the building and “began throwing stun grenades and tear gas into the building...I was there inside the building and took part in the defense. We tried to defend ourselves as much as we could,” he added.

“When we were finally able to jump out of the window from the second floor, we were met by the Right Sector radicals. They beat us with their feet using bats and chains. My friend got an open head injury. I received a wound six centimeters long and am now in a hospital waiting to get stitches,” Albu stated.

“We were all covered in blood, our legs were beaten by bats,” he said.

He added that his injuries were minor, considering the situation.

Albu confirmed that there are still activists left inside the building. “I don’t know what is their state at this point, but according to latest reports, a group of people barricaded themselves on the roof of the building. But we don’t know how long will they last up there.”

Well this sounds like propaganda or this guy is superman. Lets look at this logically not only does he escape a burning building but jumps out a second story window. Is beaten with chains and bats and his only injury a 6 cm cut . Hmmm let us just say having been hit with a bat and having 5 ribs busted i find it unlikely though granted ive never been beaten by a chain but im assuming that is even worse.

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As I have a beer

originally posted by: seppirish
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As I have a beer

me too cheers

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Has fox news spoke of this yet,CNN,lets just wait before we say anything we might be wrong...

originally posted by: seppirish
a reply to: dragonridr

Has fox news spoke of this yet,CNN,lets just wait before we say anything we might be wrong...

they are still making decision, should they blame Russian Special Forces or Russian Intelligence in the field for burning those people. What is your pick, which story they will present?

Take these at face value

Velina Tchakarova ‏@vtchakarova 4h
Deli: self proclaimed mayor of #Slavyansk Ponomarev shot by sniper. Still not confirmed news.

Aureliano Buendia ‏@Aureliano_no_24 2h
Broke, exhausted, and jumpy, and cut off from #Russia aid, militants in #slavyansk want to negotiate. via @tsnua | tsn.ua... …

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Also found this interesting its interviews with people on the streets of Moscow.

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Ola McLees ‏@OlaMcLees 4h
Following a military offensive, #Ukraine Defense Min says separatists in #Slavyansk are asking for 'negotiations' www.pravda.com.ua... …

Interesting find from UK blog

Also, and with some reluctance, I want to inform you about one interesting but unverified source (caveat emptor!): there is a Spanish speaking air traffic controller in Kiev who regularly tweets info about the events in the Ukraine here: twitter.com...

Now I personally never use Twitter (or Facebook), but a reader has called my attention to this guys who seems to have some pretty good information. According to him, some "military in Kiev" had requested the help of Russia, after which some Russian cargo plane has flown near Donetsk. According to him, radio intercepts indicate Russian paratroopers. The aircraft then turned around. What that a para drop? Finally, he reports that Ukrainian military aircraft have been challenged by Russian interceptors and have had to withdraw. Now, since all this is based on radio communication it could be fake or just somebody trying to create a panic. But for those of you who understand Spanish I wanted to pass you the info so you call follow this directly on Twitter.

Whether Russia moves troops in now or not, my sense is that this massacre in Odessa will have serious consequences as the Russians will not ignore it.

I will try to keep you posted as best I can,

The Saker

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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: seppirish
a reply to: dragonridr

Has fox news spoke of this yet,CNN,lets just wait before we say anything we might be wrong...

they are still making decision, should they blame Russian Special Forces or Russian Intelligence in the field for burning those people. What is your pick, which story they will present?

Ukraine's spin will be Russian special forces started it they'll claim it was to create unrest.But they were busy so it wasnt them no one wants to admit it was citizens. But the truth is it was pissed off protesters. See right before this incident Pro Russians attacked a Ukrainian Rally killing 4 they were chases back to the building where they barricaded themselves inside.Ive noticed people become martyrs very easily this lead to the fire bombing. This also explains the whole making them kneel before the dead Ukrainians before they allowed them to leave.

in regards to my previous post,

✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca 4h
Another plane load of different previous addresses Nearby Odessa, escorted by two fighters, Crimea origin

The Ukrainian army’s assault on Kramatorsk has finished, witnesses say, adding that the military did not enter the town. Preliminary reports say that one self-defense activist was killed and nine were injured.

It is unclear whether there are any casualties on the army’s side.

“The military attacked the barricade on the road to Yasnogorka (town adjacent to Kramatorsk),” an eye-witness in Kramatorsk told RT when the assault started. “The lights have been turned off on the nearby street. Shots are being heard across the city, signal rockets light up the sky from time to time. People are saying the Ukrainian army is shooting at everything that moves right now.”

Medics told RIA Novosti that 10 people sustained wounds, one of whom died in hospital. At least one of the injured is a woman. It was earlier reported that dozens had been killed or injured.