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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: letscit



Buried deep inside the Wednesday editions (page 9 in my paper), the article by Michael R. Gordon and Andrew E. Kramer – two of the three authors from the earlier story – has this curious beginning: “A collection of photographs that Ukraine says shows the presence of Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, and which the United States cited as evidence of Russian involvement, has come under scrutiny.”


sometimes you gotta dig


That extremely sloppy photo comparison was released originally by the Ukrainians and then subsequently endorsed by the Obama government. When it was first published by the BBC they immediately called the image of the bearded individual into question. The man ended up being a Russian national, a Kuban Cossack (but not a GRU spetsnaz as claimed).

Simon Ostrovsky's report cleared that up.



It was very incompetent of the Obama government to endorse that photo comparison but what else is new with the American leaders in the handling of this situation? Everybody knows States politicians are beholden to the interests of international finance and seem to exercise little if any understanding of Ukraine's history or actual political desires.
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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: rigel4

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: TreX-UK

Screw the Euromaidan, when you bring Helicopters and tanks on general civilian populations then any resources available will be used for defense. There is no proof that SAMs were used to bring helicopters down, those can be brought down by 1000s of ways.


I thought i might leave you this for the rest of your posts:



It won't be surprising to find that Ukrainian authorities shot down their own Helicopters in order to make a case for high powered action..............................on the advises and support of the CIA. Cooking evidence and creating scenarios is something CIA is good at.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: ProfessorT

@pravolivo: MoD reports 2 #Ukraine's servicemen killed during attack on 95th brigade in #Sloviansk

@Reuters: 40 people dead in #Odessa. Many choked to death on smoke or killed when jumping to escape fire t.co... t.co...


Oh my..
That's it. 5, 4, 3, 2, .....

How long until the genuine Russian military shows up ?
My bet is, a couple of hours



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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These costs have to be piled on NATO nations and then "very quickly" the Ukrainian problems will vanish in the thin air.

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: dragonridr

I accept all of this, I will not accept the whole "Russia is starting a war, Russia want's to invade half of Europe c¨¨p"
I have learned A Lot in this thread, I take all of this in consideration, but I'm sick and tired of only hearing the Russians are at it again.

There are two sides to this conflict, yet no one wants to talk about this psychopaths in Kiev.


The basis of all this problem is the NATO expansion eastwards and now at the "near abroad" of Russia. This has to stop to have other issues subside.

However, it can take some extra effort and costs on the NATO's behalf to comply. Right now the costs are borne by Ukraine and Russia.

These costs have to be piled on NATO nations and then "very quickly" the Ukrainian problems will vanish in the thin air.
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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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Reports are now circulating on Twitter stating that Ukrainian forces are having a standoff with the armed Russian soldiers in Kramatorsk. Allegedly there are more victims.
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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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The reason I worry about Asen is that he did not take sides, he presented both sides, just reporting news. The interim government in Kiev may not tolerate freedom of speech. Hopefully he is just busy at work, and not the canary in the coal mine.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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@pravolivo: Separatists on Zello channel say #Sloviansk "people's mayor" Ponomaryov is dead.

@PaulaSlier_RT: BREAKING - firing and sirens heard in #Kramatorsk

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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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I'v read all posts so far, I just wanted to let you guys know ( Rigel, alovesupreme, dragonrdr ) that I read your posts, all of you made some valid points,.

Rigel : I din't grossly fabricated what you had written, I misread you meaning, Dragonridr pointed this out 2 pages back.

Anywho, I have no quarrel with any of you, we just view things differently and lets keep it at that.




“The violent military confrontation is ongoing. To date, information about the deaths of two Ukrainian servicemen has been confirmed,” the ministry said in a statement, as quoted by Interfax-Ukraine.

RT

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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: Matt1951

He's not that important( meaning he's posts here would raise a red flag and Kiev Central ), and Kiev wouldn't risk such actions now that they claim the " moral " high ground. He's fine, for all we know his computer broke.
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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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So have russian troops crossed the border?


a reply to: ProfessorT



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:41 PM
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@PaulaSlier_RT: Ten people reportedly dead in #Kramatorsk



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: MessageforAll
I'v read all posts so far, I just wanted to let you guys know ( Rigel, alovesupreme, dragonrdr ) that I read your posts, all of you made some valid points,.

Rigel : I din't grossly fabricated what you had written, I misread you meaning, Dragonridr pointed this out 2 pages back.

Anywho, I have no quarrel with any of you, we just view things differently and lets keep it at that.




“The violent military confrontation is ongoing. To date, information about the deaths of two Ukrainian servicemen has been confirmed,” the ministry said in a statement, as quoted by Interfax-Ukraine.

RT


Actually ive agreed with you on some of your point were cool i enjoy your input helps keep me looking at the big picture.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: MessageforAll
I'v read all posts so far, I just wanted to let you guys know ( Rigel, alovesupreme, dragonrdr ) that I read your posts, all of you made some valid points,.

Rigel : I din't grossly fabricated what you had written, I misread you meaning, Dragonridr pointed this out 2 pages back.

Anywho, I have no quarrel with any of you, we just view things differently and lets keep it at that.




“The violent military confrontation is ongoing. To date, information about the deaths of two Ukrainian servicemen has been confirmed,” the ministry said in a statement, as quoted by Interfax-Ukraine.

RT


You're fine.. no worries here.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
a reply to: ALoveSupreme


Yes, Svoboda has some seats in parliament and has been given roles in the interim government

Not just "some seats", key positions if you ask me.
Listed here
So you have nothing against the fact that Nazis are top country officials who actually exercise power in one European country???


But that hardly means that they are sending death squads after Russians as the Kremlin media consistently lies about.

Check number two on the list I gave you - DEFENCE MINISTER IS SELF DECLARED NEO NAZI FROM "SVOBODA PARTY".
Ukrainian military is in the hands of Nazis.


I would venture to guess you are an American by your astronaut quote.

You're off by 7000 miles.



Again, yes I would acknowledge that Svoboda has been given roles in the interim government. Since 2012 they have been an important minority power party in the Rada since receiving 10% of the popular vote. Again, this is the defect of parliamentary governments where even the most radical parties end up being represented in some form.

They might have a defense minister in their ranks but the truth is that they do not control the government outright. There are parties more moderate than Svoboda who hold more power. So again, this specter of Nazism is being used and exploited by the Kremlin to sew fear and turmoil. Show us where members of Svoboda took part in the military exercises against separatists so far. There have been none unless members of this party were incidentally in the military units used.

There are more Nazi and anti-semite sympathizers in Russia today than nearly any country in the world. Anti-semtism is unfortunately part of Slavic culture for many centuries. Incidentally, the aforementioned Russian security company ChOP 'Tsentr-Alfa' who commands the the Russian Cossack units now in Ukraine also uses detachments of mercenaries from formerly fascist Spanish and Argentinian paramilitary units to guard resources here in the United Arab Emirates. There is even a son of an infamous German SS commando in their employ.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: Matt1951
The reason I worry about Asen is that he did not take sides, he presented both sides, just reporting news. The interim government in Kiev may not tolerate freedom of speech. Hopefully he is just busy at work, and not the canary in the coal mine.


There is nobody in Ukraine restricting free speech except the Russians.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: ProfessorT

They are now saying this is not true..



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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livefeed at Odessa
rt.com...


Are those troops? They look like stormtroopers in the dark.
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posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: deviant300
So have russian troops crossed the border?


a reply to: ProfessorT



Unlikely to happen Putin doesnt have the resources for a sustained conflict and it scares the hell out of him the thought that Kiev is sitting on top of a huge weapons cache that it could hand out to the general public. This would mean Russia would deal with raids and attacks in Russia that would make chechens look like a walk in the park. Russia needs to get the people to fight in order to gain control he doesnt want to keep Ukraine too expensive what he wants is an area solely dependent on Russian commerce. Will see if he can pull this off im hesitant to say one way or the other it depends on if being Ukrainian still means anything in Ukraine will see.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: MessageforAll
I'v read all posts so far, I just wanted to let you guys know ( Rigel, alovesupreme, dragonrdr ) that I read your posts, all of you made some valid points,.

Rigel : I din't grossly fabricated what you had written, I misread you meaning, Dragonridr pointed this out 2 pages back.

Anywho, I have no quarrel with any of you, we just view things differently and lets keep it at that.




“The violent military confrontation is ongoing. To date, information about the deaths of two Ukrainian servicemen has been confirmed,” the ministry said in a statement, as quoted by Interfax-Ukraine.

RT


I appreciate your gesture of civility.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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hey guys sorry for going off topic but for some reason I can't embed Youtube videos since last night, they all come up as blank. I'm cutting and pasting everything after the =, can't figure it out. Gun battles going on in Kramatorsk, was trying to post the vid but no luck??


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