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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 03:14 AM
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originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: dragonridr

Agreed, I thin Russia tends to think it's military is stronger then it is. I believe what DJW001 said at the very beginning that the Russian troops are very de-moralized. ( see reference : if Putin isn't carefull he'l have a coup on his hands ) And that if a WAR would happen they would give up quite fast.


Well i have little doubt there are alot of Russian soldiers tired of sitting on the Ukrainian border. And the support costs triple from actually being in barracks. So Russia is spending a huge amount of money to have its soldiers camp on the border. The problem is the longer this occurs the less effective they become. Im sure morale is pretty low about now im sure this cant go on to much longer he;; need to use them or send them home.




posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 03:17 AM
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Kharkiv prosecutor warns of possible provocations:
www.radiosvoboda.org...

Kharkiv oblast prosecutor Vasily Sinchuk claims about possible provocations by radical groups during the May holidays. The statement Sinchuk the inhabitants of the region warning of possible provocations posted on the official website of the Kharkiv Regional Prosecutor .

"In recent years the trend of escalation of confrontation on weekends and on holidays. So I appeal to all law enforcement officers as region and the citizens warning of a possible escalation of the situation in different political forces and attempts to destabilize "- the Sinchuk .

He said that the police Kharkiv region in the period from 1 to 4 May bear service in emergency mode. Especially controlled places of public entertainment citizens.

In Kharkov, because of the possibility of bloodshed and provocation Yevromaydan canceled a meeting on May 1. However, in groups Antymaydan social networks spread calls exit 1 May at 12.00 at Freedom Square in Kharkiv and hold massive rallies federalization



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 03:23 AM
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Horlivka city council taken over:
www.kyivpost.com...

Armed pro-Russian rebels storm Horlivka city council

10:15 a.m. -- In the latest flare-up in Ukraine’s embattled east, armed pro-Russian men in camouflage and masks stormed the Horlivka city council building just as dawn broke around 5 a.m., according to local news website Gorlovka.ua.

According to City Hall employees who arrived to work around 7:30 a.m., four men with Kalashnikov automatic rifles men guarded the entrance to the building, reports Gorlovka.ua. A few were seen in the building's lobby, and its back door was barricaded with three vehicles.

Executive committee members are said to have negotiated with the armed men to allow city workers to enter their offices and presume their duties, the news site reports. They are awaiting further information from the mayor about the situation.

Previously, pro-Russian militants on April 14 stormed the Horlivka police station, breaking down its doors and shattering windows, as hundreds of bystanders cheered them on. They then brutally beat the city's police chief, Andriy Kryschenko, dragged him outside and forced him to his knees. He was transported to a local hospital and treated for injuries sustained during the attack. -- Christopher J. Miller


LE: More info on Gorlovka/Horlivka situation:


PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 1h

#Gorlovka: 15 armed men reportedly capture several money collectors cars. 3 of them are armored. Cars belong to #Privatbank



PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 1h

Negotiations are taking place between self defence unit of #donbas and mayor of #gorlovka

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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 03:29 AM
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Military units in South Ukraine, Kherson oblast, being reconed periodically by "tourists" with newly issued Crimean Russian passports:
zn.ua...

According to operational data group "Information Resistance " special attention Crimean " messengers " given military unit A1604 ( airfield Chornobaivka , being . 320th Independent Helicopter Regiment OdVO ) .

In the Kherson region visiting " on tour " of the Crimea with the newly issued passports freely touring the region. Noted numerous cases of their occurrence near the Ukrainian military units and monitoring of strategic objects .

Informs coordinator of the " Information resistance " Dmitry Tymchuk to Facebook.

" At a time when the attention of senior management, and security forces across the country focused on the events in eastern Ukraine , the situation in the south is also not encouraging. According to the data group " Information Resistance " special attention Crimean " messengers " given military unit A1604 ( airfield in Chornobaivka , ex . 320th independent Helicopter Regiment OdVO ) "- wrote Tymchuk .

According to him , the army commanders and junior managers show sufficient vigilance and periodically organize detention of these "observers" , passing their law enforcement agencies .

" At the same time observed that for some reason they are very fast at large and continue their activities ," - says Tymchuk



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 03:58 AM
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A pretty difficult moment, when the president of a country, interim or elected, has to admit they lost control of the situation developing in one or more of the country's regions:
www.unian.ua...

According to an UNIAN correspondent, Turchynov said: "Today in the city (Donetsk), the government does not control the situation , as well as on the part of the Donetsk region ."

He described a particularly dangerous situation that prevailed in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

He recalled that in Lugansk rave room Security Service, Prosecutor's Office, Regional Administration. He said the night was repulsed attempt to seize control of the Interior.

Read takozhZSU brought into full alert because of the threat of attack - Turchynov

Turchinov also noted that a number adminbudivel are captured in other cities of Luhansk region.

"It is particularly difficult situation in the Donetsk region. City Slovyansk enthusiastic groups that are fully controlled by the Russian Federation - a terrorist and sabotage groups " - he said , recalling the murder and torture these terrorists.

He also noted that the present power structures in these two areas are not able to control the situation.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:06 AM
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Breaking on RT, no idea what's going on
Ukrainian army ‘on full alert’ – acting president
rt.com...

More info :




The Ukrainian army is on full alert due to the “threat of a Russian invasion,” Ukraine’s acting President Aleksandr Turchinov said after admitting that the government in Kiev cannot control the situation in the east of the country.

“I am going back to the real threat that Russia would unleash a continental war against Ukraine. Our armed forces have been put on full alert,” Turchinov told Wednesday a council of heads of Ukrainian regions in Kiev.

He called on the audience to speed up the creation of regional militias loyal to Kiev.

“We must have the capability to move those units fast to support other regions against such a threat,” he stressed.


Honestly... Another day another invasion... The president who cried wolf.

Anywho, better like this then a real invasion though.
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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:08 AM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

Ukr. media also reporting on it:
interfax.com.ua...

Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, Acting President Alexander Turchinov said that due to the increased threat of military action against Ukraine by the Russian Federation Armed Forces of Ukraine put on full alert.

"Again, I go back to the real threat of a Russian Federation continental war against Ukraine. Our armed forces are given in full combat readiness," - he said during a meeting with the heads of regional administrations in Kyiv on Wednesday.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:17 AM
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Info on another city council taken over in Luhansk oblast:
www.facebook.com...

In Luhansk separatists went to another municipality

The building Sverdlovsk , Luhansk city council area includes pro extremists. This TSN.ua reported eyewitnesses . According to them, they had no weapons, and to enter the room no one bothered them . Also, this information was confirmed by local rights defender Elena Stepanets . She said the city also came from Lugansk unknown people and the Party of Regions.

She noted that currently goes to the City Council meeting with Mayor Alexander Schmalz , members and extremists, which is headed by Dmitry Gafarov .


Side note, Sverdlos'k appears to be within "spitting" range of Ru-Ukr border, very close to Gukovo, where Ru army movements were documented several days ago...



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:21 AM
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Update on Luhansk situation, it seems only the local police HQ was captured by pro-Russian protesters, the regional HQ is still functioning and under the control of Ukr. MIA:
www.ostro.org...

Strangers on the territory of the regional department of the Interior Ministry building in the Luhansk region of Ukraine as of the morning, April 30, no. Korrecpondentu this "island" said Head CCA Research Affairs of Ukraine in Lugansk region Tatiana Pogukay.

So, she said, law enforcement officers are inside the building and keep the defense. In addition, T. Pogukay also noted that there is likelihood of re-assault.

"We are all in and try to work in normal mode whenever possible" - said T. Pogukay.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:25 AM
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Reason for anti-terror op in E Ukraine is lacking results, according to president Turchynov:
www.unian.ua...

Acting President of Ukraine , the Verkhovna Rada Oleksandr Turchynov said that if large crowds of force against terrorists is ineffective.

According to an UNIAN correspondent, he said at a meeting at the Presidential Administration with the heads of regional state administrations , commenting on why the authorities in Donetsk and Lugansk regions do not use of force against terrorists .

" The next problem - a sufficiently large number of civilians , dupe Russian propaganda supporting terrorism and contributes to seize administrative buildings and destabilization in the region. We know you from the experience of the street that the presence of a sufficiently large number of people power measures are ineffective. That situation faced by our security forces , "- said Turchinov.

However, he said that the security forces had not fulfilled the task of localization terrorists and their destruction.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:26 AM
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meh
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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:26 AM
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fdsfkjbELFHOULGHD double post grrr.
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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

Could you expand a little the Caesar comparison ?! I can't talk in others' people's name, but, call me stupid, I don't get it...



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:37 AM
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a reply to: Dutzy

NVM, lousy comparison anyway,



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:39 AM
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Doctors pleased with the results of the 2 operations performed on Kharkiv mayor, Kernes:
www.bbc.co.uk...

Mayor of Kharkiv Gennady Kernes operated in Israel. This was announced by Director of the Department for Information and Public Relations of the Kharkiv city council Yuri Sidorenko.

"On the second night ended with another operation. Prolonged or 8 , or 9 hours. I only know that doctors are very pleased with the result ," - Mr. Sidorenko wrote on his page on Facebook.

Gennady Kernes eve was taken to the Central Hospital of the Israeli city of Haifa .

Deputy Mayor of Kharkiv Svetlana Gorbunova , Ruban reported that the move Gennady Kernes Israel " due to the fact that doctors in this country have extensive experience successfully treating severe gunshot wounds ."

Permission to leave the country Gennady Kernes gave Attorney General's Office .

Kharkiv mayor is under investigation for several criminal charges and, according to the court, must observe a partial house arrest.

Found a weapon

Investigators Kharkiv Regional Prosecutor examine four main versions of the attempted assassination of the mayor of Kharkiv Gennady Kernes .

According to the deputy prosecutor of the Kharkiv region Konstantin Turks, one version may be related to occupational mayor , the second - to the activities in the commercial sector, the third - with personal hostile relations , the fourth may be due to the confrontation with the separatists.

According to the police officer , no version has not yet developed, each of them is at work. Also he said the Turks already questioned 35 people related to the event , and are questioning continues.

At the site of the assassination of Gennady Kernes , which occurred on Monday, April 28 in Kharkiv, found a firearm , which is probably shot in Kharkiv mayor.

Review the event lasted more than eight hours, and forensic investigators also found a sleeve of 7.62 mm and an improvised explosive device.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: MessageforAll


He called on the audience to speed up the creation of regional militias loyal to Kiev.

RT.com Link

I cannot help but think that this is yet another bad decision on the part of the Ukraine gov't. How will they be armed? Who will arm them? Training? And at this point, how in the world can anyone be trusted over there to be loyal to Kiev? I see this move as just another opening of a bad can of worms.

PS - Nice to see you back in the thread MessageForAll.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:53 AM
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Yeah, I know I skipped a few hundred pages >.< I had a small "burn out " with the whole situation lol.

Now that you mention it, I wonder why not use the law enforcement? Why need militias? If the government is chosen by the people, and are happy with it, why would they need an "extra " loyal force.

And militias by which rule do they abide? Do they follow a playbook or be judge en executioner on the spot?

New Ukraine doesn't look so democratic.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:55 AM
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a reply to: MyMindIsMyOwn

I remember reading somewhere that phone numbers were created, linking to regional or local centers, where volunteers for these militia forces could sign up.
Arming and training them will probably be handled by regional authorities of the regions.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 04:55 AM
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a reply to: MessageforAll


Now that you mention it, I wonder why not use the law enforcement? Why need militias? If the government is chosen by the people, and are happy with it, why would they need an "extra " loyal force.


Numbers. The extant police force is for arresting drunk drivers and pickpockets, not containing potentially violent mobs.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

That seems kinda like a BS explanation?, is it not part of their job? What about SWAT teams? Why not transfer some military personal to law enforcement?

It seems more like a Loyal factor problem their facing.



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