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posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: renden


So how many thousands of times does it have to be repeated, so you fellas will get it?

PUTIN HAS OVER 84% APPROVAL RATING!!!!


So did Hitler... until the bombs started falling on Hamburg.



Yes yes yes, Putin is Hitler, Hitler was just a misunderstood artist, Obama is Jesus, New World Order is just as great as Frosted Corn Flakes, and we're all just dumb sheep banging the drums that are made out of sheep skin.

Hooray! Freedom Party everyone!




posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: renden

No-one is denying there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Why do you keep denying that Putin's Russia is a Fascist state?



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: renden


So how many thousands of times does it have to be repeated, so you fellas will get it?

PUTIN HAS OVER 84% APPROVAL RATING!!!!


So did Hitler... until the bombs started falling on Hamburg.



Yes yes yes, Putin is Hitler, Hitler was just a misunderstood artist, Obama is Jesus, New World Order is just as great as Frosted Corn Flakes, and we're all just dumb sheep banging the drums that are made out of sheep skin.

Hooray! Freedom Party everyone!


No, Hitler was a cruel, paranoid psychotic leader, like Putin. His people suffered terribly because of his actions. Please, please, please stop screaming your propaganda long enough to WAKE UP!!!



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: cosmonova

Junta? Do you even know what that word means?

You're casting it about to try and stir emotion


They havnt a clue its just part of their programming like nazi as well thats why everyone becomes a nazi.


Go ahead, deny this;

[qyote]Ultranationalist neo-Nazi parties on the march in Ukraine


america.aljazeera.com...:content/mainpar/adaptiveimage/src.adapt.9 60.high.1393369683186.jpg

america.aljazeera.com...


So which part of Nazis on the march isn't clear to you?

Real time, uniform wearing Nazis, marching in victory on the streets of Kiev, in victory of taking control of the government by an armed cuedeta.

Go ahead, deny deny deny. Nope, those are not Nazis is uniforms, those are like good freedom fighters. Yep, evil evil Russkies, vs freedom loving fellas with not-Nazi insignia who are on the payroll of the White House. Everything is great, thats how freedom works.



So i guess moscow is full of nazis and an illegegal Junta as well since Nazis march through the streets of moscow? See we call this a logic fail nice try please go to the back of the line and try again.




MOSCOW (AP) — Thousands of nationalists marched through Moscow on Sunday chanting slogans such as "Russia for the Russians" to protest President Vladimir Putin's government, which they accuse of lavishing privileges on migrants and minorities while ignoring ethnic Russians.

The anti-Kremlin tone of the nationalists, who once backed Putin, comes as the movement's leaders try to broaden their base in the wake of last winter's historic opposition protests against the Russian leader. Some nationalists are even denouncing violence and racism, moves many mainstream opposition activists view with suspicion.

Sunday's march took place on Unity Day, a national holiday established in 2005 to replace commemorations of the Bolshevik Revolution. It has become associated with the nationalist "Russian March," which has taken a stridently anti-Kremlin tone. More than 40 Russian Marches were held throughout the country during the day


news.yahoo.com...



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:25 AM
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In case anyone missed it, US Secretary of State John Kerry announced (at a meeting of the Trilateral Commission!) that US intelligence has taped conversations of Moscow giving orders to their 'intelligence operatives' inside Ukraine according to this article on The Daily Beast.

It's being discussed in this other ATS Thread.

I have no idea whether it's true or what was said if it is true. There don't seem to be any recordings leaked yet, just reports of Kerry's claims.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.


Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.
edit on 29-4-2014 by renden because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: renden

No-one is denying there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Why do you keep denying that Putin's Russia is a Fascist state?



Russia is a Fascist state? Start another topic and prove it, otherwise you're pissing on over 130 million people.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:35 AM
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This apparently got the Russians upset at first couldnt figure out why but then i relized this locks them out of trips to most of Asia since Japan is the major airline hub.




Japan's sanctions against Russia not to go unanswered - Russia's FM
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...



voiceofrussia.com...



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:37 AM
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That's called DEMOCRACY you oath. Russian nationalists are openly financed by the very same American sources as Ukrainian and are called the "filth column", the difference is that Ukrainian Nationalists took the government with guns, by force, while Russian nationalists are allowed to express their "views" by the Democratic constitution. As soon as they'll try armed assault on the government, unlike in Kiev they will be squashed and arrested.

In US, the 5th column are Zionists, the very same ones who are financing Neo-Nazis and Islamo-Fascists world wide.


Zionists Are a Fifth Column in America


www.henrymakow.com...

So, are you, a Zionist
Or you just work for some

edit on 29-4-2014 by renden because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: renden
That's called DEMOCRACY you oath. Russian nationalists are openly financed by the very same American sources as Ukrainian and are called the "filth column", the difference is that Ukrainian Nationalists took the government with guns, by force, while Russian nationalists are allowed to express their "views" by the Democratic constitution. As soon as they'll try armed assault on the government, unlike in Kiev they will be squashed and arrested.

In US, the 5th column are Zionists, the very same ones who are financing Neo-Nazis and Islamo-Fascists world wide.


Zionists Are a Fifth Column in America


www.henrymakow.com...

So, are you, a Zionist
Or you just work for some


So now the jews are supporting the NAZIs around the world yeah ok you really have to get a better source for your news. Your creating your own reality just like John Kerry said Putin is doing.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.


Pools have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.


Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: renden


So how many thousands of times does it have to be repeated, so you fellas will get it?

PUTIN HAS OVER 84% APPROVAL RATING!!!!


So did Hitler... until the bombs started falling on Hamburg.



Yes yes yes, Putin is Hitler, Hitler was just a misunderstood artist, Obama is Jesus, New World Order is just as great as Frosted Corn Flakes, and we're all just dumb sheep banging the drums that are made out of sheep skin.

Hooray! Freedom Party everyone!


No, Hitler was a cruel, paranoid psychotic leader, like Putin. His people suffered terribly because of his actions. Please, please, please stop screaming your propaganda long enough to WAKE UP!!!


Show me all those people that suffered because of Putin. Please. please. please, don't show me corrupt oligarch that were kicked out or jailed, or FEMEN and "Pussy Riot", show me real people who say "oh Putin is so awful for raising our salaries and pensions, for providing health care, fixing our infrastructure, raising our economy, creating jobs, raising GDP, restoring the military, he's so bad we can barely breathe."

Go ahead, start another thread and go at it. I'll watch at all the work you'll be putting into it.


(post by renden removed for a manners violation)

posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: renden
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Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.
edit on Tue Apr 29 2014 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.


Pools have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.


Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.


lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly


Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.


Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.


Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.


Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.


lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly


Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.


Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.


You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.


Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.


Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.


lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly


Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.


Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.


You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...


That answers absolutely nothing. You are just trolling now. The link you gave is for some completely unrelated "National Bolshevism" Eurasia Party nobody ever heard of. Totally offtopic.

So if you have been to Russia, where, when, and make sure to tell us all about Russian Nazis you know, in another thread. If you can't, then you're just full of it.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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More info on yesterday's clashes in Donetsk:
www.unian.ua... .html

In Donetsk separatists captured and tortured two students who participated in the pro- rally, then taped submitting their fighters "the right sector ."

This is an UNIAN correspondent told relatives of one of the students.

According to the woman , yesterday guys , students , Donetsk National University, after attending a pro- rally went to the central park them. Shcherbakov .

Suddenly they came to a number of pro- activists have used violence searched and found items Ukrainian symbols ( yellow and blue ribbon ) , led to the building captured the Donetsk Regional State Administration.

" They brought in the state administration , stripped , removed the pants beaten on his knees , cut five, trying to cut your fingers , put on his knees, beaten with batons on the head, while the boys almost fainted . Then put them in another room, laid before them two guns , " card " Dmitry Jarosz and began to carry out filming with comments allegedly detained activists "the right sector" , "- said the interviewee .

She said , " students have denied that they are related to " the right sector , "but separatists turned off the camera and then beat them and then zabyntuvaly their heads and kicked out of the RSA ."

Students returned home "to somehow provide medical care itself , and immediately went to the police station in Donetsk Voroshilov write a statement in fact abuse ", - explained the woman. But , she said , another investigator in the police department was on St. George ribbon and just said to them, "Do you want - write, want not write, but still there will soon be Russia ."

The woman , barely holding back his excitement , said that " today on the Russian TV channels was the video that allegedly during unrest in Donetsk arrested five members of " the right sector "- Donetsk University students ." "But we know that in fact they do not have to do with ! " - Said the woman. She said that most boys , their parents shocked that happened , and while they do not know or are willing to make contact with journalists. "We all fear for their lives. But do not know how to go on living with this mental wound "- said the agency interlocutor.

As UNIAN reported earlier , 28 April evening in Donetsk few dozen violent youths attacked the Ukrainian activists. They caught up with the convoy of Ukrainian activists and attacked with batons, sticks and iron chains , beating everyone. The police did not intervene . Many residents of Donetsk, who did not participate in any of the shares, but have seen what happens angrily approached the police and required to explain why it allows such outrages in the city, and today people go peacefully , in which hands are just flags, attacked and brutally beaten with bats chains. Police did not meet anyone .

April 29 Donetsk oblast prosecutor opened an investigation into the performance of police negligence during the April 28 rally in Donetsk.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.


Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.


Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.


lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly


Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.


Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.


You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...


That answers absolutely nothing. You are just trolling now. The link you gave is for some completely unrelated "National Bolshevism" Eurasia Party nobody ever heard of. Totally offtopic.

So if you have been to Russia, where, when, and make sure to tell us all about Russian Nazis you know, in another thread. If you can't, then you're just full of it.


Well i have relatives Tver that was my last visit but its not really relevant to our discussion.But thousands of Ultra nationalists marching in leningrad and moscow is. Just because you never heard of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Something tells me theres alot you havnt heard of as i said you havre the internet look into the ultra nationalist parties in Russia. As i said i dont claim Russia is NAZIS you started a straw man argument there. What i said is Putin is playing a dangerous game with them because there convenient and have alot of similar goals to him.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: renden

Even you know that ratings are well... Overrated? If FOX news would make a poll saying Obama has 84% approval rating, would you buy it?

Ratings are easily fabricated.


Polls have been proved by multiple independent companies. Just because it's unheard of in USA to have such ratings, it doesn't make it fabricated in other countries.

He's popular because he's doing what people approve, not because people like him.


Putin has created almost a cult theres adds on TV be like Putin they sell hats shirts its all very similar to a certain leader in Germany who i wont go into. But lets just say the influence the NAZIs had on Russia was considerable and thats why the ultra nationalists in Russia have adopted the NAZI style. And even go so far as to use the exact same propaganda. Like hatred of Jews you just used your self blaming them for the evils of the world Hail Putin lol.


lol, ur so silly, go eat some jelly


Look ive been to Russia alot there not Nazis but you cant deny their influence especially in eastern Europe ultra nationalist have adopted the Nazi cults completely. There are Nazis throughout Russia and most of the old soviet bloc countries its a fact. Because they are trying to grab power in Kiev means nothing its expected. They would do the exact same thing in moscow. What is scary is these ultra nationalists are indeed gaining power in Russia. Partly because there usefull for Putin at the moment. However you have to be careful when you play with the devil he could easily lose control of them if hes not careful.


Alright, when have you been to Russia, where, how many Nazis are in Russia, where are they gaining power?

Feel free to start another thread and put it all that together so there won't be offtopic here. Otherwise, it's all just noise.


You have the internet use it but ill start you on the right track.Notice real closely how there party platform mimics Putins in almost every respect.

en.wikipedia.org...


That answers absolutely nothing. You are just trolling now. The link you gave is for some completely unrelated "National Bolshevism" Eurasia Party nobody ever heard of. Totally offtopic.

So if you have been to Russia, where, when, and make sure to tell us all about Russian Nazis you know, in another thread. If you can't, then you're just full of it.


Well i have relatives Tver that was my last visit but its not really relevant to our discussion.But thousands of Ultra nationalists marching in leningrad and moscow is. Just because you never heard of something doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Something tells me theres alot you havnt heard of as i said you havre the internet look into the ultra nationalist parties in Russia. As i said i dont claim Russia is NAZIS you started a straw man argument there. What i said is Putin is playing a dangerous game with them because there convenient and have alot of similar goals to him.


I don't know what any of that means. There are all kinds of ultra right and nationalists parties all over the world, including USA, White Power all over the place, but that doesn't mean that the official government and the people approve of such tiny minority.

Stating that KGB man Putin has the same goals as Nazis is completely asinine. It's like saying that CIA Republicans have the goals of Lenin Communists. Two completely, entirely opposite things, and if you insist of attempting to flip the opposites, then you got a clear NWO agenda, it's the same old, well known Zionist trick.
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