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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 02:57 AM
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An interview at the rally in donetsk and wow .






posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 03:27 AM
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Protest in Germany against NATO and Anti-Russian propaganda


Protest in Canada against Kiev Junta and rise of fascism in Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
An interview at the rally in donetsk and wow .






Thank you for posting this, Dragon!

Yulia's view is very representative of what average (non radical) informed Ukrainians think about the situation. It is a complex view, not necessarily pro western but definitely against Russian's obvious aggression and continuous lies.

But the most cynical (and least informed by actual Ukrainian experience) here will continue to characterize the Euromaidan a movement funded by the EU and CIA.

Meanwhile, real Ukrainians like Yulia are very aware of who the real fascists are.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 04:03 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
Protest in Germany against NATO and Anti-Russian propaganda


Protest in Canada against Kiev Junta and rise of fascism in Ukraine


The irony of characterizing Ukraine's previsionary government as fascistic relative to Putin exceeds the imagination.

There will always be this marginal group of old leftists, ones who only understand tyranny and authoritarian oppression strictly in terms of West vs. East, Right vs. Left.

They are 30 years behind in their understanding.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: cosmonova
Protest in Germany against NATO and Anti-Russian propaganda


Protest in Canada against Kiev Junta and rise of fascism in Ukraine


The irony of characterizing Ukraine's previsionary government as fascistic relative to Putin exceeds the imagination.

There will always be this marginal group of old leftists, ones who only understand tyranny and authoritarian oppression strictly in terms of West vs. East, Right vs. Left.

They are 30 years behind in their understanding.


You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...
Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 04:42 AM
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a reply to: Yusomad


You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...


You mean there are no skinheads marching in Moscow, chanting "Jews and Muslims will die?" No mosques or synagogues being bombed by Russian fascists?


Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.


No, you have to ask: "Why are journalists being murdered in Russia?"



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 04:54 AM
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originally posted by: Yusomad

You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...
Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.


The neo nazi elements are 0.1% of the Euromaidan. Numerous Jewish groups have come out in past months and made statements to this effect. The presence of anti-semitism (which has an overall common presence in slavic society) has been insanely exaggerated to fit the narrative of the real fascists, Putin and his retrograde Third Roman eurasian empire.

There will always be archaic leftist elements in Germany and elsewhere, leftovers from the 1960s Baader Meinhof and Spartacus League. There will always be this poorly informed element fighting the last war.


edit on 29-4-2014 by ALoveSupreme because: typo as its hard to type on touchscreen with nails



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:05 AM
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for $630 million you can have 10 Su-35 my friend. estimated price is about $60 million a piece
a reply to: cosmonova

Russia just needs to go one little notch up in defense spending and DC and Brussels will fast come back to their senses.

Su-35 at $60M is the correct price. Even F-22 does not cost $630M that the dude posted above.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:16 AM
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originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: Yusomad

You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...
Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.


The neo nazi elements are 0.1% of the Euromaidan. Numerous Jewish groups have come out in past months and made statements to this effect. The presence of anti-semitism (which has an overall common presence in slavic society) has been insanely exaggerated to fit the narrative of the real fascists, Putin and his retrograde Third Roman eurasian empire.

There will always be archaic leftist elements in Germany and elsewhere, leftovers from the 1960s Baader Meinhof and Spartacus League. There will always be this poorly informed element fighting the last war.



The way you preach about Russia someone would think that you live in highly democratic society.
Is that the case with UAE ? Please.
Considering that Svoboda party, formerly known as Social National Party of Ukraine or Nazis, is one of the 5 major parties in Ukraine right now with quite a few members in Ukrainian Parliament, nazi ideology is very healthy in Ukraine.


According to the results of the 2012 parliamentary election, 2 129 933 people voted for the party, representing 10-44% of those entitled to vote. Svoboda, subsequently, won 37 parliamentary seats.

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edit on 29-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:25 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: Yusomad

You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...
Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.


The neo nazi elements are 0.1% of the Euromaidan. Numerous Jewish groups have come out in past months and made statements to this effect. The presence of anti-semitism (which has an overall common presence in slavic society) has been insanely exaggerated to fit the narrative of the real fascists, Putin and his retrograde Third Roman eurasian empire.

There will always be archaic leftist elements in Germany and elsewhere, leftovers from the 1960s Baader Meinhof and Spartacus League. There will always be this poorly informed element fighting the last war.



The way you preach about Russia someone would think that you live in highly democratic society.
Is that the case with UAE ? Please.
Considering that Svoboda party, formerly known as Social National Party of Ukraine or Nazis, is one of the 5 major parties in Ukraine right now with quite a few members in Ukrainian Parliament, nazi ideology is very healthy in Ukraine.


According to the results of the 2012 parliamentary election, 2 129 933 people voted for the party, representing 10-44% of those entitled to vote. Svoboda, subsequently, won 37 parliamentary seats.


Why so popular?


The party has tapped a vast reservoir of protest votes. In a political landscape where all other parties are seen as corrupt, weak or anti-democratic - or all three - Svoboda seems to have attracted voters who would otherwise have stayed away from the polls altogether. Its strong anti-corruption stance - promising to "clean up" Ukraine - has resonated deeply.

"I'm for Svoboda," said Vadim Makarevych, a supporter, said at a recent rally in Kiev. "We have to stop what is happening in our country. It's banditry and mafia."


www.bbc.com...



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:28 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: Yusomad

You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...
Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.


The neo nazi elements are 0.1% of the Euromaidan. Numerous Jewish groups have come out in past months and made statements to this effect. The presence of anti-semitism (which has an overall common presence in slavic society) has been insanely exaggerated to fit the narrative of the real fascists, Putin and his retrograde Third Roman eurasian empire.

There will always be archaic leftist elements in Germany and elsewhere, leftovers from the 1960s Baader Meinhof and Spartacus League. There will always be this poorly informed element fighting the last war.



The way you preach about Russia someone would think that you live in highly democratic society.
Is that the case with UAE ? Please.
Considering that Svoboda party, formerly known as Social National Party of Ukraine or Nazis, is one of the 5 major parties in Ukraine right now with quite a few members in Ukrainian Parliament, nazi ideology is very healthy in Ukraine.


According to the results of the 2012 parliamentary election, 2 129 933 people voted for the party, representing 10-44% of those entitled to vote. Svoboda, subsequently, won 37 parliamentary seats.


Why so popular?


The party has tapped a vast reservoir of protest votes. In a political landscape where all other parties are seen as corrupt, weak or anti-democratic - or all three - Svoboda seems to have attracted voters who would otherwise have stayed away from the polls altogether. Its strong anti-corruption stance - promising to "clean up" Ukraine - has resonated deeply.

"I'm for Svoboda," said Vadim Makarevych, a supporter, said at a recent rally in Kiev. "We have to stop what is happening in our country. It's banditry and mafia."


www.bbc.com...



edit on 29-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:31 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

I also read the article you posted, from ITAR-TASS, and the one in the Romanian paper, Adevarul, by Dinu Zara.

All the info on the subject comes from a video of the train, embedded below, loaded with military equipment, en route to an unknown direction. I can't tell exactly where the video was recorded, but it stated that it was headed towards the Black Sea coast.



Also Dinu Zara, from the articles he has written, seems to promote a little bit the ideas that we seem to hear a lot lately, and not only lately, coming out of Russia. Coupled with the fact that he was banned earlier this year banned entry into Ukraine, by the SBU, I would say the entire article is nothing but a little propaganda piece.

Also this is the only mention of said troops/equipment movement in Romanian media, later reported by other minor news outlets, based on Dinu Zara's article.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:36 AM
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Saboteur groups detained in Lviv:
tsn.ua...

In Lviv, Ukraine Security Service detained three groups of saboteurs from East Ukraine. The largest of units consists of 12 persons. All saboteurs - citizens of Ukraine, the residents of Luhansk and Donetsk regions, said Zico, citing a source in the Security Service of Ukraine. Instead, the official comments SBU Lviv region is not yet confirmed, but does not refute this information. Siloviki say that they can not provide more information before the 10th of May. As we have previously announced that a group of saboteurs arranged riots in Stakhanov.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:42 AM
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NATO: Actually, There Is No Sign Of Russian Troops Withdrawing From Ukraine Border
www.businessinsider.com...

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - NATO has seen no sign that tens of thousands of Russian troops are withdrawing from close to the Ukraine border, a NATO official said on Tuesday, despite a Russian statement that the troops had returned to their permanent positions.

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu told U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel in a phone call on Monday that Russian forces, which started drills near the border last week, had returned to their permanent positions, according to the Russian government.

"We currently have no information that indicates a withdrawal of Russian troops from the Ukrainian border. We continue to urge Russia to abide by the Geneva agreement and to pull back all its troops along the Ukrainian border in favor of diplomacy and dialogue," a NATO official told Reuters, asked about Shoigu's assertion.

(Reporting by Adrian Croft; editing by Barbara Lewis)


www.radiosvoboda.org...

Ukrainian side currently no official confirmation on the withdrawal of troops from Russia's border with Ukraine, said Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Lubkivskyy.

"Unfortunately, we have no confirmation of this information, we look forward to the official data of the special services of Ukraine", - said the representative of the Foreign Ministry.

Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu during a telephone conversation with U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said that Russia removes its troops from the Ukrainian border in places of permanent deployment.

Shoigu also denied that Russian commandos in the Donbass.

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posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:46 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: Yusomad

You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...
Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.


The neo nazi elements are 0.1% of the Euromaidan. Numerous Jewish groups have come out in past months and made statements to this effect. The presence of anti-semitism (which has an overall common presence in slavic society) has been insanely exaggerated to fit the narrative of the real fascists, Putin and his retrograde Third Roman eurasian empire.

There will always be archaic leftist elements in Germany and elsewhere, leftovers from the 1960s Baader Meinhof and Spartacus League. There will always be this poorly informed element fighting the last war.



The way you preach about Russia someone would think that you live in highly democratic society.
Is that the case with UAE ? Please.
Considering that Svoboda party, formerly known as Social National Party of Ukraine or Nazis, is one of the 5 major parties in Ukraine right now with quite a few members in Ukrainian Parliament, nazi ideology is very healthy in Ukraine.


According to the results of the 2012 parliamentary election, 2 129 933 people voted for the party, representing 10-44% of those entitled to vote. Svoboda, subsequently, won 37 parliamentary seats.


Why so popular?


The party has tapped a vast reservoir of protest votes. In a political landscape where all other parties are seen as corrupt, weak or anti-democratic - or all three - Svoboda seems to have attracted voters who would otherwise have stayed away from the polls altogether. Its strong anti-corruption stance - promising to "clean up" Ukraine - has resonated deeply.

"I'm for Svoboda," said Vadim Makarevych, a supporter, said at a recent rally in Kiev. "We have to stop what is happening in our country. It's banditry and mafia."


www.bbc.com...




Personally, I don't support Svoboda or its far Right agenda, but the pro-Russian government must have been pretty corrupt for 12% of the population to think that it would be preferable!



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: Dutzy
Saboteur groups detained in Lviv:
tsn.ua...

In Lviv, Ukraine Security Service detained three groups of saboteurs from East Ukraine. The largest of units consists of 12 persons. All saboteurs - citizens of Ukraine, the residents of Luhansk and Donetsk regions, said Zico, citing a source in the Security Service of Ukraine. Instead, the official comments SBU Lviv region is not yet confirmed, but does not refute this information. Siloviki say that they can not provide more information before the 10th of May. As we have previously announced that a group of saboteurs arranged riots in Stakhanov.



it is funny reading those reports for a last few weeks about captured saboteur groups, Russian agents, etc.
Not a single proof has been presented ever apart from these short news. Lol at saying they cannot provide more info
before 10th of May. If they really captured someone, they would parade them on TV all day long. It would be even a breaking news on CNN. The moral boost is needed but I doubt many people believe in these reports.
Nah, it is only propaganda until seen on camera.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:54 AM
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posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:59 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: Yusomad

You mean to say the are not far righters? No nazi slogans, no "jews and russians will die"? We must be in a different reality...
Curious that as long as its pro west it bodes well, otherwise is putin's-russia's propaganda...
You have to ask, how comes people are demonstrating against the western propaganda.


The neo nazi elements are 0.1% of the Euromaidan. Numerous Jewish groups have come out in past months and made statements to this effect. The presence of anti-semitism (which has an overall common presence in slavic society) has been insanely exaggerated to fit the narrative of the real fascists, Putin and his retrograde Third Roman eurasian empire.

There will always be archaic leftist elements in Germany and elsewhere, leftovers from the 1960s Baader Meinhof and Spartacus League. There will always be this poorly informed element fighting the last war.



The way you preach about Russia someone would think that you live in highly democratic society.
Is that the case with UAE ? Please.
Considering that Svoboda party, formerly known as Social National Party of Ukraine or Nazis, is one of the 5 major parties in Ukraine right now with quite a few members in Ukrainian Parliament, nazi ideology is very healthy in Ukraine.


According to the results of the 2012 parliamentary election, 2 129 933 people voted for the party, representing 10-44% of those entitled to vote. Svoboda, subsequently, won 37 parliamentary seats.


Why so popular?


The party has tapped a vast reservoir of protest votes. In a political landscape where all other parties are seen as corrupt, weak or anti-democratic - or all three - Svoboda seems to have attracted voters who would otherwise have stayed away from the polls altogether. Its strong anti-corruption stance - promising to "clean up" Ukraine - has resonated deeply.

"I'm for Svoboda," said Vadim Makarevych, a supporter, said at a recent rally in Kiev. "We have to stop what is happening in our country. It's banditry and mafia."


www.bbc.com...




Personally, I don't support Svoboda or its far Right agenda, but the pro-Russian government must have been pretty corrupt for 12% of the population to think that it would be preferable!


Nothing to do with Pro-Russian Government. It is Stepan Bandera's ideology and WW2 history that is well established
and propagated in Western Ukraine. Svoboda is only popular in that part of the country.
It just shows that Western and Eastern Ukraine are two different worlds.
Corruption wise I agree, all Governments in Ukraine since independence were corrupted and no wonder economy has always been in bad shape.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 06:09 AM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: DJW001

Indeed... In fact, Putin has been quite keen to not only allow Far right marches in Moscow over the years, he actively encourages them.

Here is a march from 2011. If you search, you can find many, many more going back to the start of the cenury. They even have Youth groups to train the kiddies. All very hypocritical considering their apparent stance against Ukrainian fascists




16:47 24/03/2014
MOSCOW, March 24 (RAPSI) – Lawmakers of the Federation Council, Russia's upper house of parliament, have drafted a bill establishing criminal liability for attempts to glorify Nazis or rehabilitate Nazism, the Deputy Chairman of the upper house's Constitutional Legislation Committee Konstantin Dobrynin said Monday.


rapsinews.com...



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 06:12 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: DJW001

Indeed... In fact, Putin has been quite keen to not only allow Far right marches in Moscow over the years, he actively encourages them.

Here is a march from 2011. If you search, you can find many, many more going back to the start of the cenury. They even have Youth groups to train the kiddies. All very hypocritical considering their apparent stance against Ukrainian fascists




16:47 24/03/2014
MOSCOW, March 24 (RAPSI) – Lawmakers of the Federation Council, Russia's upper house of parliament, have drafted a bill establishing criminal liability for attempts to glorify Nazis or rehabilitate Nazism, the Deputy Chairman of the upper house's Constitutional Legislation Committee Konstantin Dobrynin said Monday.


rapsinews.com...


Yep, the hate mongers are not allowed to glorify Hitler, just Putin.



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