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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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I just watched a CBC clip on t.v. allegedly of pro-Ukrainian militia. It was quite disturbing. The whole scenario was clearly fake. CBC was recording them in training... It was pathetic. They look like misfit stage actors. Yes I said actors. This feels just like Libya with footage of brand new equipment being used for the first time.... poorly fitting face masks that could not possibly be worn in combat. They look awkward and of place.

If the west is bent on making Russia look bad inside Ukrainian borders it is going to be impossible to stop them. You cannot prove that any violent action was not an order handed down by Putin. If he denies it, it will likely not be reported. If there is evidence to the contrary it will DEFINITELY not be reported.

How can Russia defend themselves this? The west is knowingly shameless. They don't care about integrity. They are trying to convince the world that Russia wants to take over eastern Europe and that is not even close to true.

What would the US do if Putin started shagging Palin and Alaska ended up in Russian control. CANADA would be covered in US troops "for protection of English speakers" and ALL of you know it. The west does not have a leg to stand on this argument. Their efforts are insulting to common sense. Absolute ignorance.




posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
Recently there has been a big and frequent talk about Putin having worth of $40 to $70 Billion. This talk in US and western media has intensified.

If we remember during Egyptian revolution similar talk was made about Hosni Mubarak being worth $70B and then Gaddafi being worth $150B. Claims of Assad being $120B were also around during the peak of the Syrian civil war. None of such claims came to be proven true.

These are the cheap attempts to alienate the leadership of popular support and nothing else.

In Russia's case the originators of such attempts better be careful because Russians can hang some really dirty laundry about Obamas, Bush and Clintons in a hurry and with ease.


I dont think there worried in the least in case you havnt noticed Americans have all ready donr that so its not a threat. As far as being a tactic what are you talking about makes zero sense. Here ill spell is out for you Obama doesnt want to ahve anything to do with Ukraine hasnt from the beginning. He has not nor will he take a commanding role in handling it. He is trying his best to ignore it and let Europe handle it. Obama doesnt like to be involved in foriegn policy its not his thing. This somewhat led to this problem because Putin figured this out saw an opening and decided to go for a land grab.

He knew Obama would try to keep out of it hes seen it in Syria as well how quickly Obama backed out the minute he offered to help. Obama s foreign policy is to not get involved he said it several times even in his campaign he believes America should only act as support. And well he takes that to hart he will support Europe on there decisions involving Ukraine but he will not take the lead you got the wrong animal. But it is funny trying to watch Russians hang this around Obama because they think Obama is Bush if Bush was in office there would all ready be 50000 soldiers on the ground. Me i prefer that not happen so at least id say thank god that wasnt the first response.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 11:37 PM
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New Cold war is here anyways so Russia should do the following:

Immediately invest $100B into getting new arms for its military

$20B for 320 Su-35 grade fighters - this will bring RuAF to match EU atleast if not the USAF
$10B for 3000 plus T-90 grade tanks - Heavy armor punch i.e upto 10 tank divisions
$5B for Mi-28 type 300 attack helicopters
$5B for advanced simulators for crack training of forces in all wings of services
$10B for another 1000 missiles in grade of Topols, Satan and Yars

This will not only strengthen Russian forces but also exhaust the budgets of EU and US who are all in debt.
US will be compelled to throw more men into European theater and incur more costs.

They want to put sanctions on Russia so in return Kremlin should make them spend from their ears.

If that STILL does not bring them to senses, then Russia should make military alliance with SCO nations and that would guarantee serious "attitude correction" in DC and Brussels.

Btw, above budget used up only $50B, so others might want to add more goodies to the list.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
New Cold war is here anyways so Russia should do the following:

Immediately invest $100B into getting new arms for its military

$20B for 320 Su-35 grade fighters - this will bring RuAF to match EU atleast if not the USAF
$10B for 3000 plus T-90 grade tanks - Heavy armor punch i.e upto 10 tank divisions
$5B for Mi-28 type 300 attack helicopters
$5B for advanced simulators for crack training of forces in all wings of services
$10B for another 1000 missiles in grade of Topols, Satan and Yars

This will not only strengthen Russian forces but also exhaust the budgets of EU and US who are all in debt.
US will be compelled to throw more men into European theater and incur more costs.

They want to put sanctions on Russia so in return Kremlin should make them spend from their ears.

If that STILL does not bring them to senses, then Russia should make military alliance with SCO nations and that would guarantee serious "attitude correction" in DC and Brussels.

Btw, above budget used up only $50B, so others might want to add more goodies to the list.


You really dont know about military equipment do you just so you know SU 35 runs about 630 million apiece and worse they dont have all the parts the engines were produced in Ukraine. They need far more that a 100 billion to catch up. The us Budget runs 640 billion a year China spends 188 billion a year Russia currently spends 87 billion a year. You might be interested to know thats just over 4 percent of the GDP which is one of the highest of any country in the world based off GDP.# countries spend more there in the middle east like saudi arabia at just over 7. US spending is 3.8 percent of GDP does this tell you the diffrence in economies? Between just a couple of nato members they spens a total of over 2 trillion more than the Russians make in a year which runs about 1.86 trillion. Add another say 100 billion and you're at about 10 percent of Russia's GDP thats unsustainable especially with their economy taking a downturn and the Ruble losing value about 10 percent so far.

So instead of talking fantasy lets try to stick to the facts instead of stuff you just make up thx.
edit on 4/29/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:37 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: victor7
New Cold war is here anyways so Russia should do the following:

Immediately invest $100B into getting new arms for its military

$20B for 320 Su-35 grade fighters - this will bring RuAF to match EU atleast if not the USAF
$10B for 3000 plus T-90 grade tanks - Heavy armor punch i.e upto 10 tank divisions
$5B for Mi-28 type 300 attack helicopters
$5B for advanced simulators for crack training of forces in all wings of services
$10B for another 1000 missiles in grade of Topols, Satan and Yars

This will not only strengthen Russian forces but also exhaust the budgets of EU and US who are all in debt.
US will be compelled to throw more men into European theater and incur more costs.

They want to put sanctions on Russia so in return Kremlin should make them spend from their ears.

If that STILL does not bring them to senses, then Russia should make military alliance with SCO nations and that would guarantee serious "attitude correction" in DC and Brussels.

Btw, above budget used up only $50B, so others might want to add more goodies to the list.


You really dont know about military equipment do you just so you know SU 35 runs about 630 million apiece and worse they dont have all the parts the engines were produced in Ukraine. They need far more that a 100 billion to catch up. The us Budget runs 640 billion a year China spends 188 billion a year Russia currently spends 87 billion a year. You might be interested to know thats just over 4 percent of the GDP which is one of the highest of any country in the world based off GDP.# countries spend more there in the middle east like saudi arabia at just over 7. US spending is 3.8 percent of GDP does this tell you the diffrence in economies? Between just a couple of nato members they spens a total of over 2 trillion more than the Russians make in a year which runs about 1.86 trillion. Add another say 100 billion and you're at about 10 percent of Russia's GDP thats unsustainable especially with their economy taking a downturn and the Ruble losing value about 10 percent so far.

So instead of talking fantasy lets try to stick to the facts instead of stuff you just make up thx.



for $630 million you can have 10 Su-35 my friend.

estimated price is about $60 million a piece
edit on 29-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:45 AM
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Heres a video from the Ukrainian martch in donetsk on the 28th.



This is for Putin i figure lennon is kind of appropriate.. Lets live the dream people.




posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:46 AM
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Now were talking,,



Anyone who's seen the arms-trafficking film Lord of War will remember Yuriy Orlov, the Ukrainian-American arms dealer played by Nicolas Cage.

scary,, eh,,



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova
It was actually 63 million not sure how that zero got on there but again thats base cost as well doesnt include avionics package which add about another 6 to 10 million.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: BobAthome
Now were talking,,



Anyone who's seen the arms-trafficking film Lord of War will remember Yuriy Orlov, the Ukrainian-American arms dealer played by Nicolas Cage.

scary,, eh,,




Love nicolas cage hes the man.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:10 AM
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This is interesting the 3 people they captured were apparently spies and not on a military operation.This is probably why they stripped them down they werent in military uniforms. Also thought it odd they werent carrying weopons or you know it would have been on display.And apparently Russians informed them the pro russians allowing them to be captured. The SBU is so infiltrated by the Russians they need to scrap that agency and start over.




Ukraine's State Security Service (SBU) has reason to believe that the pro-Russian separatists who captured three of its high-ranking Alpha Group counterterrorism officers, acted on a tip from infiltrators inside the spy agency, says Maryna Ostapenko, the SBU's spokeswoman.

The SBU officers were captured in the city of Horlivka in Donetsk region on April 26. They were then transported to Sloviansk and are still being held there, the SBU believes. They were reportedly on a mission to conduct surveillance of and possibly arrest alleged Russian Military Intelligence Lieutenant-Colonel Igor Bezlier, who is suspected of involvement in the murder of a local city councilman.

Several Russian media released shocking photos and video footage of three men in their underwear, bruised and blindfolded, and covered in blood. The men were recorded undergoing a barrage of questions that resembled a hostile interrogation. They confessed to being SBU officers on a counterterrorism mission.


www.kyivpost.com...

edit on 4/29/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: cosmonova
It was actually 63 million not sure how that zero got on there but again thats base cost as well doesnt include avionics package which add about another 6 to 10 million.


cool story bro



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:23 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
This is interesting the 3 people they captured were apparently spies and not on a military operation.This is probably why they stripped them down they werent in military uniforms. Also thought it odd they werent carrying weopons or you know it would have been on display.And apparently Russians informed them the pro russians allowing them to be captured. The SBU is so infiltrated by the Russians they need to scrap that agency and start over.




Ukraine's State Security Service (SBU) has reason to believe that the pro-Russian separatists who captured three of its high-ranking Alpha Group counterterrorism officers, acted on a tip from infiltrators inside the spy agency, says Maryna Ostapenko, the SBU's spokeswoman.

The SBU officers were captured in the city of Horlivka in Donetsk region on April 26. They were then transported to Sloviansk and are still being held there, the SBU believes. They were reportedly on a mission to conduct surveillance of and possibly arrest alleged Russian Military Intelligence Lieutenant-Colonel Igor Bezlier, who is suspected of involvement in the murder of a local city councilman.

Several Russian media released shocking photos and video footage of three men in their underwear, bruised and blindfolded, and covered in blood. The men were recorded undergoing a barrage of questions that resembled a hostile interrogation. They confessed to being SBU officers on a counterterrorism mission.


www.kyivpost.com...



and that is is when paranoia takes over. No one can be trusted.
Another problem for Junta to deal with.
Anyway, what is happening with ATO, it has been very quiet for a last few days?
We see more action from other side.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:24 AM
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New US sanctions levied by White House unlikely to hurt Russian gas sector


"Most of the sanctions were imposed on the pipeline contractors of Gazprom that had plenty of time to transfer their funds from western banks back to Russia, so there are no assets left in Europe or the US to be frozen," Korchemkin, of the Pennsylvania-based East European Gas Analysis, told RIA Novosti Monday.





posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:34 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr
This is interesting the 3 people they captured were apparently spies and not on a military operation.This is probably why they stripped them down they werent in military uniforms. Also thought it odd they werent carrying weopons or you know it would have been on display.And apparently Russians informed them the pro russians allowing them to be captured. The SBU is so infiltrated by the Russians they need to scrap that agency and start over.




Ukraine's State Security Service (SBU) has reason to believe that the pro-Russian separatists who captured three of its high-ranking Alpha Group counterterrorism officers, acted on a tip from infiltrators inside the spy agency, says Maryna Ostapenko, the SBU's spokeswoman.

The SBU officers were captured in the city of Horlivka in Donetsk region on April 26. They were then transported to Sloviansk and are still being held there, the SBU believes. They were reportedly on a mission to conduct surveillance of and possibly arrest alleged Russian Military Intelligence Lieutenant-Colonel Igor Bezlier, who is suspected of involvement in the murder of a local city councilman.

Several Russian media released shocking photos and video footage of three men in their underwear, bruised and blindfolded, and covered in blood. The men were recorded undergoing a barrage of questions that resembled a hostile interrogation. They confessed to being SBU officers on a counterterrorism mission.


www.kyivpost.com...



and that is is when paranoia takes over. No one can be trusted.
Another problem for Junta to deal with.
Anyway, what is happening with ATO, it has been very quiet for a last few days?
We see more action from other side.


Agreed there are way to many Russians in their government departments they need to take a serious look at how bad they are infiltrated by Russians. This gives them the ability to sabotage the government it really is a serious issue.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:42 AM
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Konstantinovka is the latest town taken over. This was yesterday, people putting barricades, the usual story.
There must be some strategic order in which they take over these towns in South East.
Everything seems to be perfectly planned.

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:44 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
New US sanctions levied by White House unlikely to hurt Russian gas sector


"Most of the sanctions were imposed on the pipeline contractors of Gazprom that had plenty of time to transfer their funds from western banks back to Russia, so there are no assets left in Europe or the US to be frozen," Korchemkin, of the Pennsylvania-based East European Gas Analysis, told RIA Novosti Monday.




Sanctions arent to freeze assets its to stop companies from working with them. But the sanctions were a wrist slap Obama is trying to look like hes doing something about Ukraine well secretly hoping the EU can solve this. His view is its not really an US problem its a European problem. But the right here doesnt like that at all they think it was his policy of non interference that caused the problem in the first place. They think if the US had gotten involved Russia wouldnt even be in Ukraine. Id say this is only a half truth Putin wanted Crimea said so a couple of years ago it wasnt a secret. So even if the Obama administration jumped in i dont think it would have made a difference for Crimea at least. Now Eastern Ukraine maybe If the US jumped in earlier they could have easily propped up Kiev. But his view is what is to be gained in that so he keeps waiting for the EU to do something. Angela Merkel is running this show im just curious what shes thinking i know Germany is working hard to get Ukraine money but they need military support bad. So im wondering if the EU will end up pushing for military support since Ukraine just asked for help.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 01:53 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

gee u would think Europe would have learned from the last two times



Guess not,,



Always Germany,,whats up with that,,???



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 02:05 AM
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00:29 GMT:
A group of unidentified men took over an administration building in eastern Ukraine’s Stanichno-Lugansk region of Lugansk, local news agency ‘Ukrinform' reported.

Around 300 people stormed the local administration building, the agency said


Actually this is the latest town taken over, no more reports at this stage.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: zilebeliveunknown



I hoped it was true, it would be so awesome



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 02:47 AM
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I found this interesting and notice in my quotes it looks like rumania is considering sending troops into Ukraine if the need arises im guessing that means if Russia does.




BUCHAREST, April 27. /ITAR-TASS/. Romania has moved military formations to the eastern border of the country, as a military train loaded with air defence systems, trucks and surface-to-air missile launch systems headed through Romania’s capital, Bucharest, to the Romanian Black Sea city of Constanta. Military hardware is needed for joint military exercises in which U.S. servicemen and four U.S. fighters F-16 participate, the Romanian Defence Ministry told reporters.
“War games will be held according to the plan of strategic partnership between our countries,” Romanian Defence Minister Mircea Dusa told reporters earlier.
Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Estonia have earlier asked NATO and the United States to build up military presence in these countries over current crisis in Ukraine. After the start of this crisis AWACS surveillance aircraft have started to make daily flights from the NATO airbase Geilenkirchen in Germany over southern Romania, conducting radar reconnaissance in southern Ukraine, Moldova and Crimea. At the beginning of the year the North Atlantic Alliance has shifted military functions of Pentagon’s Transit Centre at Kyrgyz airport Manas to airbase Mihail Kogalniceanu near the port city of Constanta which will transfer cargoes and troops during an anti-terrorism operation in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, Romanian President Traian Basescu has satisfied Washington’s request to beef up the numerical strength of marines at this base from one thousand to 1.6 thousand. Romanian authorities also asked Washington to deploy in Romania a squadron of U.S. fighters until 2017, as Bucharest plans to buy 12 used fighters F-16 in Portugal for the country’s Air Force to replace outdated fighters MiG-21 Lancer by this deadline.





Meanwhile, some Romanian analysts believe that over current Ukrainian crisis Bucharest should prepare to introduce its troops in Ukraine’s Black Sea littoral Odessa region and Chernovtsy region in south-western Ukraine. “An intervention in northern Bukovina, southern Bessarabia and the Transnistria becomes inevitable and even necessary when the Ukrainian state will become incapable to preserve public order on these territories populated with Romanians,” analyst of popular Romanian newspaper Adevarul (truth) Dinu Zara wrote in his article.


en.itar-tass.com...



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