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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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This is interesting it talks about the presidential election in Ukraine and the complete lack of campaigning.

Ukraine's Invisible Presidential Election
www.theatlantic.com...




posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: asen_y2k
Interesting:


zerohedge @zerohedge
RUSSIAN TROOPS RETURNED TO BASE FROM UKRAINE BORDER: IFX. Is this the Russian or the Ukraine Interfax?


This isn't saying much, but there's absolutely nothing on western media about Russian troops pulling back. That seems like a worthy news item considering new sanctions were started today, it would sure "puff up" Obama if it were true. I do believe we would be hearing about it on the MSM news as crappy as the MSM is.


It would take time western media really has little interest in Ukraine. The US sees this as more of an annoyance and the only reason there is concern is because it involves the EU.All this means in the US is a reason to talk about how weak Obama is as a president. And the White house is trying to keep this on the back burner there hoping Europe will solve this with only minimal effort from the white house. Like US sanctions have been set for a while but Obama specifically wanted the EU to release theirs first. To Obama this is a European problem and hes trying to keep it that way.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

Wow...I can't believe this. Speechless.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

I feel it would be an opportunity for the media to counter the "weak Obama" (which I think he is, but that's a moot point) sentiment. Seems like they would want to air it immediately. The media eats up political mud-slinging and this news would be worthy of it for a while until it got boring again. I think this is the type of news item western media loves, not because they care about the situation, but because of the ratings, and the mud-slinging of course. Just my opinion.
edit on 28-4-2014 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: UngaBungga

Kinda old news dog



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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Here's another tweet -


ConflictBreakingNews
‏@MiddleEast_BRK
#Russia says, it withdrew its forces from the Ukrainian border after "#Kiev stopped targeting Russian citizens" in #Ukraine ...


I'm asking for a source



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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Yahoo News reporting it -

Russia says troops return to barracks after exercises


Moscow (AFP) - Russia's defence minister told his US counterpart Monday the country's troops had returned to barracks after conducting exercises on the border with Ukraine, and urged Washington to dial down the rhetoric.

"Russia was forced to launch large-scale exercises near the border with Ukraine, facing the prospect of (Ukrainian) military action against civilians," Sergei Shoigu said, according to a defence ministry statement.

"Once the Ukrainian authorities declared that they would not use regular military units against the unarmed population, the Russian troops returned to barracks."



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: Wookiep
Here's another tweet -


ConflictBreakingNews
‏@MiddleEast_BRK
#Russia says, it withdrew its forces from the Ukrainian border after "#Kiev stopped targeting Russian citizens" in #Ukraine ...


I'm asking for a source


doesn't make any sense... Honestly...



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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Yahoo
Digi Journal



Moscow (AFP) - Russia's defence minister told his US counterpart Monday the country's troops had returned to barracks after conducting exercises on the border with Ukraine, and urged Washington to dial down the rhetoric. "Russia was forced to launch large-scale exercises near the border with Ukraine, facing the prospect of (Ukrainian) military action against civilians," Sergei Shoigu said, according to a defence ministry statement. "Once the Ukrainian authorities declared that they would not use regular military units against the unarmed population, the Russian troops returned to barracks."

edit on Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:15:49 -0500155America/ChicagoMonday4 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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A pro-Russian 'self defense' militia member who took part in latest takeover on Monday in Konstaninovka jokes to a BBC interviewer that their movement will continue into western Ukraine, then Brussels, then Berlin.

www.bbc.com...

(Interesting how these 'civilian' forces are carrying RPGs)



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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At the checkpoint border zone Lugansk and Rostov region in Chervonopartyzansk missing Ukrainian symbolism. It is reported stringer channel "112 Ukraine". "At the checkpoint border zone Lugansk and Rostov region in Chervonopartyzansk missing Ukrainian symbolism. Asked where the Ukrainian flag and whether they should be here, they (staff - Ed.) Said that yes, the flag should be, but it has removed customs" - said stringer.
112.ua...



not sure if translated correctly but looks like Ukrainian symbols have been removed at this border checkpoint?



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 07:28 PM
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Ukraine's interior ministry has reportedly created a special "Timur" battalion to fight separatism in the Luhansk region. Although the unit would appear to take its name from its commander, army veteran and champion power lifter Timur Yuldashev, he said on Ukrainian television it was so named because Timur in the Uzbek language means "ironclad".

"I'll try to do everything so that this battalion will indeed become ironclad, so that it becomes a unit that can help fend off the threat of separatism in our Lugansk region and the breakup of our nation," Yuldashev said.



Well this didn't go well for these fellas.
Timur battalion lost its very first battle and it ceased to exist already.
They have arrived yesterday in Donestsk region but unfriendly locals came in to spoil the party.
Battalion Commander has been knocked down in this clip, around 4:20 mark
www.youtube.com...

and later on transferred to Lugansk for interrogation.
www.youtube.com...




edit on 28-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)

edit on 28-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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Ukrainian Crisis: Moving Closer To War

By Paul Craig Roberts

27 April, 2014
Paulcraigroberts.org

The Obama regime, wallowing in hubris and arrogance, has recklessly escalated the Ukrainian crisis into a crisis with Russia. Whether intentionally or stupidly, Washington’s propagandistic lies are driving the crisis to war. Unwilling to listen to any more of Washington’s senseless threats, Moscow no longer accepts telephone calls from Obama and US top officials.

The crisis in Ukraine originated with Washington’s overthrow of the elected democratic government and its replacement with Washington’s hand-chosen stooges. The stooges proceeded to act in word and deed against the populations in the former Russian territories that Soviet Communist Party leaders had attached to Ukraine. The consequence of this foolish policy is agitation on the part of the Russian speaking populations to return to Russia. Crimea has already rejoined Russia, and eastern Ukraine and other parts of southern Ukraine are likely to follow.

Instead of realizing its mistake, the Obama regime has encouraged the stooges Washington installed in Kiev to use violence against those in the Russian-speaking areas who are agitating for referendums so that they can vote their return to Russia. The Obama regime has encouraged violence despite President Putin’s clear statement that the Russian military will not occupy Ukraine unless violence is used against the protesters.



Interesting article by Paul Roberts who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal.

here is the rest
www.countercurrents.org...



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 08:12 PM
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Recently there has been a big and frequent talk about Putin having worth of $40 to $70 Billion. This talk in US and western media has intensified.

If we remember during Egyptian revolution similar talk was made about Hosni Mubarak being worth $70B and then Gaddafi being worth $150B. Claims of Assad being $120B were also around during the peak of the Syrian civil war. None of such claims came to be proven true.

These are the cheap attempts to alienate the leadership of popular support and nothing else.

In Russia's case the originators of such attempts better be careful because Russians can hang some really dirty laundry about Obamas, Bush and Clintons in a hurry and with ease.
edit on 28-4-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: cosmonova
06:00 GMT:
Unconfirmed reports are coming from Konstantinovka, a city with in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, of anti-government activists taking over the city hall and police station.

The city is located in the northern part of the turbulent region and has a population of about 77,000. It’s known as a large glass and glassware production center in Ukraine.

some pics

twitter.com...


I find your posts confusing. You use terms like "anti-government" without specifying which "government" they are "anti." Your use of "we" and "they" is also extremely ambiguous. Sometimes you try to appear American or European, other times you definitely speak for the Kremlin. Please be more specific about who you consider to be the "good guys" and the "bad guys" in future. Also, you need to find an idealistic theme to give color to your propaganda.

The reason why Communist propaganda was so effective in the last century was because it provided a specific economic alternative to the status quo. All Putin's propagandists can muster is anti-Americanism. It is hard to sell a negative, especially when the alternative being offered is so similar to what is being opposed. Plus, there is the added complication that officially, Russia is no longer anti-Semitic. This means that it cannot use its beloved "Zionist Banksters" card. (Every once in a while someone will slip up. I assume they are suitably punished.)

It must be extremely difficult to construct a suitable story line. On the one hand, Putin wants to appear as the defender of international law. On the other, he wants to appear to be the greatest military leader since Alexander Nevsky. (This is why the Russian instigated violence in Maidan was originally blamed on the Germans, and only later on the Americans.) It also doesn't help that Russian propagandists are being asked to deny the presence of troops that Putin himself acknowledges. They have to claim that a government in Kiyev that was elected is illegitimate, but that self appointed governors in the provinces are legitimate.

Good luck with all that.




Calm down dude, those are not my words, that is a news taken from RT.
You should know by now that I use term Kiev Junta not Government.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
Recently there has been a big and frequent talk about Putin having worth of $40 to $70 Billion. This talk in US and western media has intensified.

If we remember during Egyptian revolution similar talk was made about Hosni Mubarak being worth $70B and then Gaddafi being worth $150B. Claims of Assad being $120B were also around during the peak of the Syrian civil war. None of such claims came to be proven true.

These are the cheap attempts to alienate the leadership of popular support and nothing else.

In Russia's case the originators of such attempts better be careful because Russians can hang some really dirty laundry about Obamas, Bush and Clintons in a hurry and with ease.



what makes it funny is that they are dumb enough trying to use the same scenario on Russia. They have absolutely lost touch with reality.
Desperation, frustrations and lack of ideas in my opinion.
The man has backing of more than 70% of people, he brought Russia to top 8 economies in the world with a great chance to go much higher and he is not playing by the rules set by US&EU. And why should he? They are a powerhouse on its own weather someone like it or not. And that is the very reason for US meddling in Ukraine, weakening Russia through Junta puppets, provoking civil war in the country. I just hope EU will come to senses and not undermine its own economy for greedy&always power hungry buffoons in White House. EU is the one who have to say enough to US.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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Very firm video evidence that at least some of the well trained, heavily armed 'self-defense' militia taking over eastern Ukraine are Russian nationals, not Ukrainians:



youtu.be...

(but maybe not Russian GRU spetsnaz as Kyiv claimed)
edit on 28-4-2014 by ALoveSupreme because: typo as its hard to type on touchscreen with nails



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: ALoveSupreme


Very firm video evidence that at least some of the well trained, heavily armed 'self-defense' militia taking over eastern Ukraine are Russian nationals, not Ukrainians:



youtu.be...

(but maybe not Russian GRU spetsnaz as Kyiv claimed)



that was posted and discussed a few pages back.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
that was posted and discussed a few pages back.


Sorry, somehow I missed it.

These cossack units are the archetypal Russian mercenaries, going back to the 18th century.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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DONETSK, Ukraine — Talking with pro-Russian separatist gunmen is like living a Ukrainian version of the Western movie “Appaloosa,” where the judge sits listening to the testimony of hired hands providing alibis for the ranch owner who’s murdered the sheriff. The testimonies here are word for word the same, providing an alibi, it would seem, for Russian President Vladimir Putin: “I am not a separatist,” say the hired hands. “I want a federation; the ouster of (Russian-friendly) President Viktor Yanukovych was a crime; I am here to protect ethnic Russians from fascists and to protect our language.” If they varied their lines, they would be more believable.



But then what is happening in eastern Ukraine is more about theater, albeit with deadly consequences, than anything else. And the audience—the international media—sits watching the play and filming and tweeting the performance. And whoever is behind this understands the appetite.

That became clear at the weekend when the media meekly colluded in the play trotted out for their consumption that day: the parade by pro-Russian separatists in Slovyansk of the kidnapped members of a military mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation (OSCE). In a statement today Germany’s foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, said that displaying the captives was an affront that is “revolting and blatantly hurts the dignity of the victims.”





The gunmen at the checkpoints always deny they are Russians—or if they admit they are Russians, they follow up saying they are retired Russian military and in Ukraine purely as volunteers. Slovyansk’s separatist boss, the former Soviet soldier-turned soap factory owner Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, insists this is the case, arguing he appealed to former comrades to come and help. Apparently he has a lot of friends.

But whether they are Russian, or former or defected Ukrainian military, is in some ways beside the point. Few here believe the shots are being called by the thuggish Ponomaryov or Denis Pushilin, the 32-year-old former casino croupier and onetime Ponzi scheme salesman, who is now the head of the self-styled Donetsk Republic. Ukrainian officials insist that behind them stand the same Russian intelligence operatives who pulled the strings in Crimea last month before Russia’s annexation of the Black Sea Peninsula.

Ponomayov and Pushilin, they’re just providing alibis.

www.thedailybeast.com...



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